Talks over Chargers stadium now just involve both sides insulting each other

If San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer thought that proposing a Chargers stadium plan that nobody was really happy with and then calling for a public vote in order to avoid a more difficult public vote would at least be a productive starting point for negotiations — hey, it worked in Milwaukee, sort of — it’s not really working out that way at all. We already covered the Chargers owners’ statement on Tuesday that this voting thing doesn’t really work for them; since then, things have only descended further into everybody just yelling at each other:

  • Faulconer sniped on Twitter that “we can get this done if we have a willing partner,” while one of his political consultants snarked, “For the first time in seven months of incredibly hard work from the City, County, and the CSAG, the Chargers did something honest – walk away from the table.”
  • Faulconer said he’d next go straight to the NFL to convince the league that a public vote could be held without worries about holdups from environmental lawsuits, with city councilmember Scott Sherman adding approvingly, “They wouldn’t have a choice but to come back to the table.”
  • Chargers stadium czar Mark Fabiani told a KPBS interviewer that “we’re out of time for 2015” and the only way the Chargers stay put in San Diego is if the NFL rejects their move to L.A. (Asked why the team had agreed to negotiate at all if it was too late, Fabiani replied, “We were hoping the city would come up with something we hadn’t thought of.”)
  • Fabiani told a 10News interviewer via email that negotiating with the city had been “a waste of five months,” that the L.A. market is “far more lucrative,” and that “we haven’t seen any evidence so far in our dealings with Mayor Faulconer that he is capable of managing such a complex project,” calling his approach “remarkably unsophisticated.”

Yep, that’s a lot of yelling. What it all seems to add up to is two sides each trying to make their pitch to the NFL: Fabiani is trying to tell the Chargers’ fellow owners, “Hey, we tried, the mayor’s a buffoon, we have no choice but to go to L.A.,” while Faulconer is sending the message, “We have a good offer on the table, kick these nuts in the butt and tell them to negotiate.” This is looking more and more like the endgame will be an NFL meeting in which the Chargers, St. Louis Rams, and Oakland Raiders owners all try to be the first to win approval to go to L.A.; I’m still skeptical that any of them should really want to, but NFL owners are as susceptible as the next person to wanting things that they’re told they can’t have. Maybe more so.


14 comments on “Talks over Chargers stadium now just involve both sides insulting each other

  1. This is a game of idiocy whereby each competing side wants to supersede the other in acts of supreme morony.

    The whole world knows Carson is a joke and that the NFL owner has subzero chances of ever moving to LA while the city officials are trying to be as accommodating as possible at a time when they hold all the negotiating cards and should not be advancing any proposals to an otherwise desperate owner.

    I guess it might be indeed a case of unsophisticated city officials vs. deceitful NFL crooks.

  2. “kick these nuts in the butt”…
    “kick these butts in the nuts” works too.

  3. I am shocked on the Chargers reluctance to deal with the City/County at this point. From the breakdown I saw the Chargers are getting a great deal to stay at their current site.

    Because they keep half of PSL sales and all naming rights their contribution is only around 225M or so. They pledged 200M a few years ago and 225M is in the ballpark even if 300M is the upfront #.

    The City/County are willing to use public funds and the Chargers are balking over a vote?

    The City/County are flush with cash, the Chargers are big part of local pride in the area. The Chargers walking away from table tells me they want LA badly.

    But Spanos screwed up partnering with dumbass Mark Davis and his division rival Raiders. The NFL will reject the Carson proposal and accept the Inglewood proposal for these reasons:

    -Moving two AFC west teams to LA at the same time forces re-alignment, the NFL would have to make Arizona, or Seattle swap with either the Raiders or Chargers. In this case, the NFL would have to make monetary concessions to one of the NFC teams “taking one for the team” by moving to the AFC West. Rams and 49ers have been original NFC West teams so will not move.

    -Carson’s site is not shovel ready and it needs two teams to pencil out. Neither the Chargers or Raiders can build alone. The Carson site needs cleanup and it has no ancillary development of any kind planned. The stadium would be built in the middle of a empty plot of land.

    -Neither the Chargers/Raiders play in LA right now, granted the Chargers are televised there and the Raiders used to play there 20 years ago but there is no built in fan base. Meaning both teams would cannibalize for PSL, Suite, sponsorship and naming rights.

    -The Inglewood proposal is shovel ready and needs only 1 team (Rams) and has a development around it and this stadium has a retractable roof. This plus the Rams do not need to move divisions, in fact from a travel perspective the 49ers, Seahawks and Cardinals would rejoice of not having to travel through two times zone to play the Rams. The 49ers would get to renew their West Coast rivalry with the Rams.

    In the end, the Carson proposal was desperation from the Chargers/Raiders. If the Raiders had the same proposal the Chargers do now from Oakland/Alameda County they would take it and run.

    I thought the Chargers want to stay…..

  4. City Attorney Jan Goldsmith stated last February that the EIR process would take 12 to 18 months and that the city couldn’t proceed without meeting CEQA requirements. Now politician Jan Goldsmith is saying an EIR and CEQA are no problem. He is a fraud.

    ““The City remains obligated to comply with the California Environmental Quality Act. Unless exempted by state legislation, that process requires environmental review, consideration of alternatives (including “no project”) and public input. An EIR for a typical project takes about 12-18 months. The City may not commit to a specific project before the CEQA process is completed.”

    voiceofsandiego.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/CAStadiumTaskForce.pdf

  5. Remember that change to California state law that enabled the Kings to get their EIR through more easily? The Legislature is now considering extending it to the benefit of the Warriors in SF.

    http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/article25000111.html

    My guess is this extension, when it’s passed, will help with any new football stadium too.

    I have no doubt this proposed extension will be signed into law.

  6. SBSJ, If the Chargers and Raiders move to Carson their is no directive that the NFL would have to realign and make a switch with an NFC team. Yes they are in the same division and yes Denver and Kansas City would play twice in the new stadium every year, but they would be playing against a different team each time and there are twice as many games available to the public at this stadium. Common non divisional opponents could be staggered where a team would play the Raiders in a home game at their home and Chargers in a road game in Carson. Would have to study the current rotation that is like what 16 years at a time. But 2/3 of that time there would be no overlap at all. Certainly not a big deal. What is a big deal is to keep 2 old AFL Rivals in the AFC West where they both belong!

  7. Sorry Rob, but their is a directive from the TV networks. 1 team will have to switch to the NFC.

  8. What is “morony”?

    Calling us crooks is so… gauche! We are businessmen. And we are playing San Diego (and St. Loius) like a fiddle, just like we play every town that is scrambling to cough up the public stadium cash we crave. It’s nothing personal, it’s just business as Hyman Roth would say.

  9. Morony is the land of morons. Don’t give me the business BS. Je suis de cerveau droit.

  10. @RobS

    If you read the documents that the Chargers and Raiders released, the move only works with the Raiders moving to the NFC. Else you’d have not just the AFC West exams coming twice a year but a high percentage of the Chargers and Raiders opponents since the schedules within a division only change by 2 teams due to how the NFL schedules. It’s harder to sell tickets to away fans if the team will likely show up twice and LA has a lot of transplants.

  11. Isn’t saying “the only way the Chargers stay in San Diego is if the NFL rejects our move to LA” an awful lot like me saying “The only way I stay with my current spouse is if Julia Roberts continues to ignore my love letters suggesting we run away together?”