St. Louis committee to vote today on Rams stadium bill, and other NFL-to-LA news

Today’s NFL-to-L.A. scuttlebutt roundup:

 


18 comments on “St. Louis committee to vote today on Rams stadium bill, and other NFL-to-LA news

  1. Any comment on what Grubman told Bernie Miklasz yesterday? It might be ever so slightly more important than a leaky ceiling in Oakland as reported by a KC fan. I thought you’d be all over one and ignore the other but I had it backwards.

  2. The full BoA isn’t even getting the bill until tomorrow. It’s just Ways and Means voting today, though obviously that should give us some sign of what the full board will do.

    As for Grubman and Miklasz arguing about whether billionaires should be less eligible for public subsidies than mere millionaires, it was a dumb argument that will have zero to do with any actual decisions, but here’s the link for those who want it:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/10/grubman-its-unfair-to-raise-kroenkes-net-worth-in-assessing-public-contributions/

  3. Indirectly affecting this: The Warriors move to SF has been approved by the SF BoS.

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-supervisors-OK-Warriors-arena-for-Mission-Bay-6685450.php

    I didn’t see your story on this.

  4. MikeM: http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2015/12/09/10230/warriors-arena-environmental-report-wins-city-approval-public-less-thrilled-about-it/

  5. The Grubman interview was 43 mins long iirc, why focus on one inconsequential point? He had much more important things to say about the St. Louis stadium proposal which I would expect to be covered in an unbiased blog about stadiums. If you have time this morning maybe you should listen to the entire interview. It’s on espn101 under The Bernie Miklasz Show. You can’t miss it, and shouldn’t considering Grubman’s place in the battle for LA.

  6. here’s the link.

    www.101sports.com/podcasts/eric-grubman-joins-bernie-to-talk-about-the-ongoing-la-stl-situation/

  7. I don’t have 43 minutes free each day to listen to every stadium-related interview, no. Nor do other readers. Since you’ve listened to it, though, how about you give an indication of when the part is that you’re trying to call attention to, or at least what the subject matter is?

  8. What little I listened (as well as the comments in the pft piece) only underline how generally stupid the argument is.

    1. Grubman consistently tries to use a circular argument. Businessmen shouldn’t have to do something suboptimal because they are rich, but cities can choose to subsidize suboptimal behavior. Which generally gets generalized by boosters as “we should be supporting good businessmen in being good businessmen.”

    2. No one analyzes the underlying assumptions Grubman uses: why on earth should a stadium be so expensive and so short-lived? What exactly is it that needs to be paid for? Why couldn’t the Minnesota Vikings and Univ. of Minnesota, or the 49ers and Raiders, share the same stadium?

    3. Personally, I hope the Rams move anyway. The owner is a poor sports owner with a whole basket of underperforming teams. The Rams were a lousy team in LA, have mostly been a lousy team in Missouri, and will be a generally lousy team wherever they end up next. Demanding subsidies is obscene, but subsidizing this garbage takes it to a new level. Enjoying the Cardinals is a better use of anyone’s time.

  9. Ways and Means approved the Rams plan 7-2. Looks like Reed and some others switched to “yes” in exchange for a minority-hiring provision:

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/st-louis-stadium-proposal-gets-crucial-backing-from-aldermanic-committee/article_048b4d76-c0b4-518a-b0ab-87063914a15f.html

  10. It still doesn’t mean the NFL or Stan Kroenke are going to accept the St. Louis proposal. In fact, the league is unable to force the Rams from moving. Honestly, I believe its criminal for a city with such limited fiscal resources to allocate taxpayer monies for an NFL stadium when there are far more pressing needs which need tending to.

  11. @jcpardell – Just ask former Seahawks owner Ken Behring if the NFL is unable to force a team from moving.

  12. JC, where are the Rams going to go after they lose LA to the Chargers and Raiders?

    I think St. Louis is crazy but it looks like they are going to approve their $400 million stadium bill. NFL owners like free money, they aren’t going to vote for the Rams moving to LA. The jig is up.

  13. “The owner is a poor sports owner with a whole basket of underperforming teams. ”

    Wonder why nobody in St. Louis with a loud voice in the public sphere brings this up. At least just pose the question: “Why are we even thinking about subsidizing an owner who shows little interest in putting together teams that compete for titles.”

    If you look at the portfolio of his teams, they are all average to below average. The only good team Stan owns is in London (and, HA!, actually hindered their ability to win the league by building a new stadium with their own money (borrowed)).

  14. Correct Michael, and Arsenal are disappointing for such a rich club. They were lucky to get out of a fairly weak Champions League group, will most likely get knocked out in the round of 16, and will fail to top the EPL table. Arsenal fans didn’t like that Stan pays himself dividends instead of buying better players.

  15. Whoa… If Arsene starts Cech in either of the first two group games they probably don’t need the escape. And if the fixture orders were reversed and the home game against Olympiakos was a dead rubber, nobody would have thought much of it. No they shouldn’t have had zero points after two of the three easiest group games, but they were never winning that group after drawing Bayern.

    Might also take issue with the idea the group was easy. Bayern are the best team in Europe. The Greek Super League might not be great but Olympiakos are 12-0-0 domestically (they will be a tough opponent for anyone in the Europa League). The screw job there was that UEFA changed the seeding so that Arsenal was in Pot 2 and teams like Zenit and PSV were in Pot 1.

    And English fans throw a shit fit any time any American owner pays himself. I rail on how shitty Kroenke’s teams in general are (and, as a fan, it scares me about the long term prospects for Arsenal) but I actually have few problems with how he handles Arsenal. They spent money on Sanchez and Ozil and the failures to buy depth at DM and CB are almost certainly on Wenger and not Stan not making funds available.

    The only really bad draw would be against FCB. Of course UEFA has probably fixed it so that AFC draw FCB for like the 6th time in 8 years. But I’ll take my chances against any of the other clubs, even a Rafa-managed Madrid.