Friday stadium news: Warriors subway delays, MLS expansion scuttlebutt, ungrateful Hamilton

Oh hey, yeah, I forgot to mention that it’s the most important holiday of the year this week (and part of next), so posting may be a bit sporadic until Wednesday or so. But I could never ignore the weekly news roundup, so let’s get to it:

  • San Francisco’s new Central Subway likely won’t open until 2021, more than a year later than planned, which will mean a couple of seasons of Golden State Warriors fans walking or taking shuttle buses. Honestly, it’s not all that far, but I’m sure there will still be complaining.
  • David Beckham got some new minority partners for his MLS team that still doesn’t quite exist yet. Supposedly the league will issue an “update” on the Miami stadium situation soon, which maybe sounds ominous only to me because I think that way?
  • The city of Phoenix has now spent $200,000 on a Suns arena consultant, and still the city council doesn’t have any information yet even on what kinds of upgrades the arena might need, because the mayor says he has to keep negotiations with the team secret. From the city council. No, it sounds crazy to me, too.
  • The owner of the Hamilton Bulldogs junior hockey team offered to build a new arena and only ask taxpayers to foot half the bill, and he’s mad that the city hasn’t thanked him yet.
  • Cincinnati’s highway bridges are falling down, but the city is spending money on a new MLS stadium (maybe?) before addressing that, because hotel taxes and other money going to the stadium isn’t allowed to be used on highway infrastructure. You know, maybe cities and counties should start allowing things like hotel taxes to be used to improve other things that benefit tourists, like roads that don’t have overpasses fall on them when you drive under? Just a thought.
  • The Republican tax bill isn’t finalized yet, and we don’t know if the ban on tax-exempt stadium funding will survive, but the Detroit News speculates that if it does, it might help Detroit’s MLS expansion chances because it’s the only city that wouldn’t be building a new stadium. MLS already supposedly voted on the expansion cities yesterday, though, so you think the league owners called Congress for a sneak peek at the final bill? Does MLS have that kind of pull with Congress?

19 comments on “Friday stadium news: Warriors subway delays, MLS expansion scuttlebutt, ungrateful Hamilton

  1. The tax bill won’t help the Detroit bid, however the fact Miami isn’t ready to start in 2019 might effect which two cities get in this round. One of the two choices would need to start 2019.

  2. I wonder if watching the Marlins situation Beckham will have second thoughts about choosing Miami. Unless you’re a championship team, or a college team, it’s really hard to get Miami fans to go to a game.

    • I agree you have to be a winner to draw in Miami. If memory serves me the hurricane football team has a built in fan base of around 30000 faculty & students. If they’re not winning the attendance is around that number. As for the Marlins, in the history of sport how many teams have treated their city and fans as badly as the Marlins. That includes MLB chosen one Jeter.

      • The Loria clan always sold off high priced players and did not reinvest in the farm system/prospects (I think you can guess where the money went). There’s no reason to believe Jeter and Co will do the same thing at this point.

        We are only a few years removed from Houston fielding what amounted to a triple A team in MLB… but look at them now – World Champions.

        If a decade from now the “new” ownership in Miami is in it’s third rebuild/refinancing, then it might be a good comparison. But at least lets see what the new ownership does before we tar them with the stench of Loria.

      • As I recall his MLS franchise fee discount (which was granted in 2006, let’s not forget…) only applied to a Miami franchise. Whether that is because it’s where he wanted to be or that was the only place that MLS was going to issue a cut price franchise I do not know.

        If he was setting up anywhere else, he’d have to pay the going rate as I understand it.

          • Your correct. Once he picked Miami he was locked in and couldn’t transfer to another city with discount.

  3. Muni Light Rail already connects directly between BART and the site of Chase Arena, so if fans take BART, they already don’t have to walk or take a bus to the arena. What you would do is take BART to the Embarcadero station and then transfer to Muni rail there. Muni would then take you down along the Embarcadero and make a left at 4th & King and then take you just down 3rd Street right to the entrance of the arena. What the subway project will do is make the connection shorter and more direct by tunneling under 4th street and connecting to BART at the Powell station.

    Here’s a map for reference:
    http://www.urbanrail.net/am/snfr/san-francisco-map.gif

    The UCSF/Mission Bay Station is directly in front of the arena site.

    At some point in the future, there is also a plan to build a ferry dock next to the arena (like what the Giants’ AT&T Park has).

  4. Huh? Why would you need to walk or take a shuttle to get to the Warriors’ game?

    The T-Third line currently runs along the Embarcadero and continues as the K-Ingleside. When the Central Subway is completed it will instead go underground and run to Chinatown.

    For someone connecting from CalTrain the project will have no impact. For riders of BART they will have to transfer at Embarcadero rather than Powell. However, the arena is still directly in front of a T MUNI stop.

    There may be some decreased capacity due to having to deal with traffic on Third, King and Embarcadero though the line does run in a dedicated lane. However, it’s not unlike how you get a Giants game. Unless you happen to live in Chinatown or maybe Nob Hill, the impact is minimal.

  5. From transplants to other diversions, building fan base in Phoenix challenge for sports teams

    http://www.azfamily.com/story/37076621/from-transplants-to-other-diversions-building-fan-base-in-phoenix-challenge-for-sports-teams

    Though, it has always been worse for the Coyotes.

  6. Neil, please excuse the slight folder drift but on the MLS front, KCRA has been hyping the expansion to Sacramento as if there was no other news to report on. KCRA cherrleaded the Golden One Center as well and still sells the idea that this kind of taxpayer subsidized spending somehow pays off in increased tax dollars. Sac has a minor league soccer team and it appears that the Republic will move up a division like in England.

  7. Regarding:
    “You know, maybe cities and counties should start allowing things like hotel taxes to be used to improve other things that benefit tourists, like roads that don’t have overpasses fall on them when you drive under? Just a thought.”

    How about using hotel taxes to improve things for the citizens that live in the community!

  8. My quick take on the tax bill related to sports.

    http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20171218/CRPT-115HRPT-%20466.pdf

    Charitable tax deduction for sports tickets. Repealed effective tax years after December 31, 2017. No longer deductible.

    Tax-exempt bonds for professional sports stadiums. In the House bill, not in the Senate bill. The conference committee did not adopt the House’s version. The bonds will remain tax-exempt.

    Tax on excess tax-exempt organization executive compensation. This was included in the final bill. It relates to sports in that many universities pay their football coaches through their tax-exempt fundraising units. Not sure of the percentages; however, it is applicable to amounts that exceed $1 million, to include parachute payments.

    • The excise tax for tax-exempt organization executive compensation is 21%. This was the only story I found that addressed the tax bill impact on university athletic departments.

      http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article190121014.html

    • The tax-exempt bonds for stadiums is noted in this story under the sub-topic SPORTS.

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-15/a-look-at-the-corporate-winners-and-losers-in-final-tax-measure

      • No surprise there. This kind of smelled from the start like “Hey, let’s vote for this to make the right-libertarian types happy, and then the Senate will make sure it doesn’t actually become law and piss off the sports lobbyists.”

  9. Another Great Moment in marketing this weekend…

    Ottawa Senators owner Melnyk chose the 100th anniversary (of the first NHL league game, I assume) outdoor cash grab to crap all over his own fans for not selling out the Sens regular arena (this game was played at Lansdowne Park, the football stadium, and was attended by about 34,000 if I heard correctly). A quick search shows Ottawa averaging just over 15,000 for each home game this year thus far… not the 13,000 he claimed.

    He also went on to play the move card, all while standing in front of the outdoor arena he was shaking down fans premium price to attend…

    This from a fellow who has been resident in Barbados since 1991 to avoid Canadian taxation.

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