Tiger Stadium preservation plan could replace grass field with fake turf

Just ran across a bit more news on the proposed Tiger Stadium field preservation, courtesy of Anna Clark of Next City:

As it stands, the plan will privatize the baseball field. Only PAL teams will play on it, in contrast with the open-door policy of the Navin Field Grounds Crew. It is reasonable for PAL teams to have priority on the redeveloped field, but the public should be able to enjoy it in off hours.

PAL may change the grass of the original field to artificial turf. This follows the model of the recently restored League Park in Cleveland, baseball’s oldest existing Major League ballpark. But artificial turf on the Detroit field plays too casually with the idea of “preservation” and subtly insults the people who have been caring for the natural grass for free for years now — and will continue to do so for the next year, possibly two, before building begins. It should also not be taken lightly that at least a dozen people have had their ashes scattered on this grass.

Those are indeed concerns — with the artificial turf being especially pointless, since studies have found that fake turf doesn’t save any money over a well-maintained grass field when used for baseball. (Soccer, which delivers way more of a pounding, is another story.) If you want to chime in on any of this, the proposed developers have a comment site up at Popularise, so have at it.

Detroit signs developer to preserve Tiger Stadium field, surround it with buildings

The city of Detroit has picked Larson Realty as its developer for the site of Tiger Stadium (and hey, shoutout from Crain’s reporter Amy Haimerl to FoS correspondent David Dyte!), which means we get more renderings of the plan to preserve the old ballfield and surround it with low-rise buildings. Not necessarily better than the last set of renderings, but more:

(There’s also an image showing the new Police Athletic League building surrounded by what appear to be Cybermen ghosts, but that’s too disturbing to include here.)

Anyway, still many details to go, but it’s looking promising that the old Tiger Stadium field will be preserved, anyway, even if it’s too late for the stadium itself. (Though it’s marginally worrisome that the flagpole isn’t visible on these.) Which is good, because I still need to get out there for a softball game.


Detroit moves ahead with plans to preserve Tiger Stadium field, surround it with buildings

Pictures are in of what the Tiger Stadium site could look like under a redevelopment plan from the Detroit Police Athletic League:

And also this one:

That seems sorta okay, I guess, in that the field (which is still heavily used for softball) is preserved, and the buildings around it aren’t too ugly. I don’t know what’s up with the video projection system in that second image, but maybe kids today like watching their YouTube videos on the sides of buildings now.

The Detroit city council still needs to sign off on the deal, and I believe the PAL and the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy still need to finalize using the conservancy’s old $3 million federal earmark for youth baseball to help finance the plan. Yes, that’s public money, but a public ballfield isn’t the worst way to spend $3 million.

New Detroit mayor opens door a crack toward keeping Tiger Stadium ballfield

Some potential good news for the folks who have been maintaining Detroit’s Tiger Stadium ballfield ever since the stadium itself was demolished in 2009: New mayor Mike Duggan plans on issuing a request for proposals for redevelopment of the site, and his top development aide says, in the Detroit Free Press’s paraphrase, that it will “call for private developers to build mixed-use housing and commercial space but keep a baseball field on the historic site, but with smaller dimensions than the original playing field.”

That’s at least an improvement on the open hostility to keeping a ballfield on the Tiger Stadium site that was a hallmark of previous administrations. (George Jackson, the Detroit economic chief who was for years the primary foe of any preservation of the ballpark site, resigned last month, though he’s still not exactly going away.) The city’s prior position was that a ballfield couldn’t possibly be maintained because the old major-league dimensions were too big to accommodate new construction; the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy responded that they didn’t care about center-field dimensions, but discussions never got any further than that. Duggan’s move at least seems like a possible nod in the direction of compromise, but we’ll know more when we see the actual RFP.

Detroit development chief doubles down on blaming baseball fans, says “compromise” needed on Tiger Stadium site

One day after blaming baseball lovers for there being no development at the site of Tiger Stadium, Detroit economic development chief George Jackson declared that he’s still willing to build something there, but that preservationists need to compromise, or else nothing will happen. Which is still pretty much blaming baseball lovers, but in slightly sweeter tones:

George Jackson, CEO of the Detroit Economic Growth Corp., called a news conference to urge members of the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy to be more flexible in their purported requirement that future development include a baseball park with the exact dimensions as the razed stadium’s — including the full 440 feet that existed between home plate and the original center field wall…

“We’ll be willing to talk, but we need them to compromise with us,” Jackson told reporters Wednesday. “We don’t think you can do this without compromise.”

The Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy hasn’t responded to Jackson’s latest comments yet, though Conservancy president Thomas Linn said Tuesday night that his group was always willing to compromise: “It was our preference to preserve more of the ball field, but I don’t think it was our preference to say, ‘No, no, never.’” Linn also told a local news station yesterday, “We’ve always been open, always been reasonable. I’m open to anything — I’d like to use the money.”

If this all seems like a weird war of words to you, it’s a weird situation all around: The only reason Jackson needs the permission of the non-profit Conservancy to go ahead with his project — which would involve a row of stores plus a new office building for a parade float company — is that the Conservancy controls a $3.8 million federal earmark that it was awarded initially to preserve part of the stadium itself, but which it now can use for pretty much whatever it wants at the site. And Jackson wants the money to build his buildings in what was once the Tiger Stadium outfield, and is undoubtedly annoyed that he has to get the approval of a non-profit group that he hates in order to use their money. So: FIGHT!!!

You can take a look at some aerial footage of the site here, where the field, currently maintained by volunteers, looks, frankly, gorgeous. If you want details of exactly where Jackson wants the buildings to go, you’ll have to ask Jackson; it’d be nice if one of the local newspapers had done so, but apparently you don’t bring a FOIL request to a knife fight.


Detroit development chief who turned Tiger Stadium into empty lot blames baseball lovers for keeping it an empty lot

Today in “Detroit economic development chief George Jackson really, really, REALLY hates Tiger Stadium even though it was demolished five years ago” news:

The top Detroit economic development official accused U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, a Democrat from Detroit, and a nonprofit group Tuesday of blocking a redevelopment proposal for the Tiger Stadium site by insisting — for nostalgia’s sake — that plans include a baseball park with the same dimensions as those of the demolished field…

George Jackson, CEO of the Detroit Economic Growth Corp., told an audience of about 300 business and community leaders Tuesday that the now-scuttled redevelopment plan called for a row of retail stores, the Parade Company’s new headquarters and, to the chagrin of Levin and a nonprofit called the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy, a Little League-style field with a shorter outfield and smaller basepaths than those in Tiger Stadium.

“We had a plan that was nixed because we didn’t comply with their need for a center field that no Major League ballpark even has at this point,” Jackson said following a Detroit Economic Club event in the Renaissance Center’s Detroit Marriott.

Conservancy president Thomas Linn denies opposing any plan that didn’t retain Tiger Stadium’s 440-foot center field, and indeed, given the number of alleged development plans for the site that have fallen through, it doesn’t seem like it would have taken a group of preservationists to block this one. But given that Jackson’s resume already includes tearing down the stadium with little notice, rejecting an offer from Chevrolet to maintain the ballfield at no cost to the cityrefusing to let people watch the 2012 World Series on a big screen at the site, and calling a MLB proposal to build a youth baseball academy there a “scam,” I’m guessing a baseball just ran over Jackson’s dog when he was a kid or something.

Detroit economic chief: MLB plan for youth academy on Tiger Stadium site a “scam”

Yesterday I wrote of MLB’s proposal to put an Urban Youth Academy on the former site of Tiger Stadium that it was “not clear whether they’ve talked seriously about it to the city of Detroit.” I was slightly unsure of that, since the Fox Sports article I linked to had MLB VP Darrell Miller saying of local elected officials, “Everyone seems to want to play ball, if you will forgive the overused analogy” — but that seemed a bit hazy, and I know that Detroit development officials have had their own plans for the site, so I figured it might be worth waiting to see if another shoe would drop.

Consider the shoe dropped:

The old Tiger Stadium site is owned by the City of Detroit and controlled by the Detroit Economic Growth Corp. George Jackson, the economic growth corporation’s president, dismissed the MLB academy idea, saying that Miller has no money to make it happen.

“You could almost call it a scam,” Jackson told the Detroit Free Press on Monday afternoon. “He has absolutely no money. … He came to visit us, and when we got down to the brass nuts and the facts and the figures, he disappeared and just reappeared by talking only to politicians.”

Yeah, who the hell is this MLB, acting like they have money to throw around? Clearly some sort of fly-by-night organization that will probably disappear again within a couple of years.

The USA Today story on Jackson’s comments also notes that about $3.7 million in federal money approved by U.S. Sen. Carl Levin when Tiger Stadium was still standing remains left unspent, and can be used to aid development on and around the site. It doesn’t say whether this money would specifically be made available for a youth academy, but Thomas Linn, president of the Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy, is quoted as saying, “I’d still like to do something baseball related on the site. Tiger Stadium is sitting there fallow and growing weeds.” As we’ve seen before, though, Jackson gets what Jackson wants — and so far, he seems to want weeds.

MLB considering Tiger Stadium site for youth academy, but will it displace actual ballfield?

MLB VP Darrell Miller tells Fox Sports’ Jon Paul Morosi that the league is considering the site of Tiger Stadium for a new Urban Youth Academy … along with two other sites. And it’s not clear whether they’ve talked seriously about it to the city of Detroit, which has its own plans for the site, amorphous as they might be.

On the off chance this thing actually happens, an Urban Youth Academy would provide free programs that, according to Morosi, “would host educational support and vocational programs in addition to baseball and softball activities. The complex would include an indoor facility to allow for year-round use.” How that would fit on the Tiger Stadium site, and whether it would work with the layout of the original Tigers diamond, which volunteers from the Navin Field Grounds Crew continue to maintain and play ball on, isn’t addressed in Morosi’s story.

Detroit economic chief: Red Wings arena will take more public money

MLive has an interview up with Detroit economic development czar George Jackson, in which Jackson whines a bunch about the groups that tried to save Tiger Stadium, and are still trying to retain the old stadium site for baseball. (“They didn’t have the wherewithal and capacity to perform what they say they wanted to perform,” says Jackson, which doesn’t explain why he turned down an offer by Chevrolet to maintain the old ballfield for free.) More relevantly, Jackson also has some to say about future plans for a Red Wings arena and for the Tiger Stadium site.

First, on the Red Wings:

We’re going to move; we’re putting the financial pieces together as we speak. So from that standpoint, we’re moving; that’s how this works normally. We’ve got some base funding related to the legislation that was passed in the lame duck session, and now we’ll move on putting those final pieces together – both public and private…

Do we need two arenas (The Joe and a new Red Wings arena)? No. Let’s face it, arena’s don’t exactly make money. The arena (is making some money) with the parking. The one thing about the city is this: If everybody likes you, then that means you’re not doing anything and not getting anything done.

Did you find the actual news, buried Waldo-like in that wad of verbiage? It’s that the $650 million Red Wings arena-and-development plan would require additional public funds on top of the (roughly) $150 million that was approved by the state legislature in December. Jackson didn’t say how much public money, or where it would come from, but saying the remaining funding will be “both public and private” is certainly an indication that the public’s share is only going to rise.

And on the future of the Tiger Stadium site:

We’re working with the Parade Company as we speak, but at the same time the proof is in the pudding. But at the same time, we’re open to a mixed use; we’re open to a compromise. But sometimes these folks (critics of me, those advocates of saving the stadium when it was still up and using it for something else) act like it’s ‘everything we want or nothing.’ It’s kind of like the Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives; that’s what I’m getting from some of these critics about Tiger Stadium. I’ve been more than convenient and more than compassionate in regards to realizing their dreams. But also, I also like to keep things real and keep things realistic.

Realism: It’s not what it used to be.

Detroit nixes Tiger Stadium viewing party because that’s what Detroit does

It was a good idea, anyway: Fans of Detroit’s not-quite-all-gone Tiger Stadium organized a viewing party Saturday night where locals could watch Game 3 of the World Series on a 20-foot TV screen, have DJed music between innings, etc. It didn’t happen, though, because city officials decided the event didn’t have the proper permits, including “City Council approval.”

The group Historic Detroit responded with an appropriately pissy Facebook post:

Everyone thought it was a great idea, that is, except for the City of Detroit, which officially pulled the plug on the party this morning, threatening to arrest anyone on the field for trespassing.

That’s right, folks. The same city government that brought you a giant empty field instead of a preserved National Historic Landmark and field for youth baseball has said no one is allowed on the field. Any of the tens of thousands of OTHER vacant, city-owned lots, you’re welcome to prance about on. But not the site of Tiger Stadium. You’ll be arrested for that.

Of course, given the way the Series turned out, Tigers fans are probably glad that they weren’t subjected to this.

If nothing else, the Tigers’ brief appearance in the World Series provided the opportunity for some national media coverage of the history of Tiger Stadium and attempts to preserve the site for baseball (check out Reggie Jackson’s awesome hat in this one). The current city plan is to try to develop the site as anything other than a ballfield as soon as possible, but given that this is Detroit, “as soon as possible” can always mean “never.” In the meantime, volunteers continue to maintain the field and play the occasion pickup game there — check out their Facebook page if you want to get involved.