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April 18, 2005

Yanks leak stadium clues

When a big business like a baseball franchise wants to generate some favorable press coverage, it has a tried-and-true ace up its sleeve: Identify a sympathetic reporter, then provide them with a "leak" of the information you want to appear on the front page. If all goes well, in the excitement over getting an exclusive, they'll happily repeat any claims you make - and no one will be able to say otherwise, since you're the only one who knows what your plans look like.

That's just what the New York Yankees did this weekend, with Daily News reporter T.J. Quinn providing a two-part look at the team's plans to raze Yankee Stadium and replace it with an $800 million structure in a public park across the street. Quinn's prose was breathlessly effusive, describing the new stadium design as "designed to dazzle," with "the old frieze hanging from the roof like copper lace" and the limestone exterior providing "the view Babe Ruth had when he went to work in the house they built for him."

Reading between the Yankees' p.r. lines, there was some new news here, but it was harder to ferret out, and still leaves many questions unanswered:

  • The new stadium, which would be built atop what are now Macombs Dam Park and Mullaly Park just north of the current Yankee Stadium, would consist of an outer shell designed to look like the original Yankee Stadium exterior, with a modern stadium structure inside it. The space in between would be filled with a "Great Hall" that might be better described as a great mall, as it would, according to the News, contain "five to six times more retail square footage than the current stadium."
  • The field dimensions would remain the same as in the current stadium, but the seating bowl would be much different: just 50,800 seats as opposed to the current 57,000-plus; and, writes Quinn, "in the current stadium, roughly 30,000 seats are in the upper decks, with 20,000 below. The new park would reverse that." Since it's nearly impossible to fit 30,000 seats on a single deck without resorting to Woodrow Wilson-era seat widths, presumably this counts all the luxury and club-seat levels as "lower-deck" - which means the cheap seats in the upper deck would effectively be cut by more than a third.
  • Quinn also neglected to mention any of the interior dimensions of the grandstand - the only illustration doesn't shed much light - but given that Yankee Stadium currently offers one of the closest upper decks in baseball, it seems likely that a new park would provide much more distant sightlines for those in the cheap seats.
  • As was reported last summer, the Yankees would pay for the entire construction cost of the stadium, now estimated at $800 million. (Actually, as was also reported last summer, about 40% of the cost would actually be borne by the other 29 MLB teams, thanks to a loophole in baseball's revenue-sharing plan.) The city and state would be responsible for $300 million for a new commuter rail station, new parking garages (which, according to Quinn, the public would keep revenues from), and other infrastructure, presumably including replacing the parkland that would be demolished to make way for the new stadium.
  • About that parkland: Though earlier plans had been for the current stadium to be demolished and replaced with an above-ground parking garage with ballfields on top, the News now reports that "the city will take over the old stadium (which it owns), knock down part of the outfield bleachers and possibly part of the grandstand and find a commercial use for the remaining building." Since state law requires that any removed parkland be replaced by an equal amount of new green space, it's unclear how the new Yankees plan would compensate for the removal of the heavily used Macombs Dam and Mullaly Parks.

Much else is unclear about the Yankees plan, including how the city and state's $300 million would be funded, what legislative approvals would be necessary, and whether the Yankees would receive such hidden subsidies as using their own property taxes to pay off stadium bonds. The News reports only that the Yankee management hopes to have a memorandum of understanding with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg by "around May 1"; as has been made clear by the Nets case in Brooklyn, this would only be a starting point, mostly interesting because it would finally give the public a chance to scrutinize the plans more directly, unfiltered by the Yankees' p.r. machine.

And speaking of the public, Quinn writes: "Perhaps best of all for the parties involved, there is no significant opposition to the project." It may not be "significant" yet, but the natives are certainly getting restless.

COMMENTS

Well, this just....... sucks..... :(
Posted by: Bertell Ollman at April 19, 2005 08:55 PM

I seem to recall the Mets have a contract with the City guranteeing that they get the first new stadium (since the "current" Yankee Stadium was refurbished at taxpayers' expense 30 years ago). Any news on how the Mets are reacting to the Yankees' leaks?
Posted by: Dan Rosenbaum at April 20, 2005 10:05 AM

You are correct about the Mets lease clause, but so far Mets management has been staying quiet about their own stadium plans. But then, that's been pretty much the Mets' modus operandi all along: Let Steinbrenner carry the water with the politicians, then wait patiently for the chance to say "us too," no doubt with the favored-nations lease clause as a hammer.
Posted by: Neil at April 20, 2005 01:04 PM

I would certainly hope that the Yankees have no intentions of demolishing the old stadium. It's use should be limited to: (1) First and foremost, a museum of Yankees history and (2) as the home park of a Yankees minor league team (Only the New York Yankees would be able to hand a minor league team a MLB stadium)with restaurants and sports bars. Special events would be handled on a case by case basis. Anything other than the above mentioned ideas would take away from spirit of the Yankees and the soul of the stadium.
Posted by: Nelson Ramirez at April 22, 2005 08:05 AM

New is not always better. Especially when it comes to a "historic" site such as Yankee Stadium. A new stadium would lose the mystique and spirit of those that played at Yankee Stadium; Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Munson, not to mention those magical teams winning all of those pennants and world championships. Move Monument Park? Might as well build another Statue of Liberty on another island because the one on Ellis Island is old. Just put in the old artifacts and no one will know the wiser. NOT! A new stadium with a mall for retail shops surely is keeping up with the times but do true Yankee fans care? The current Stadium has all it needs. More suites or restaurants? Build where the blacked out section behind center field is. They can still keep it to the hitters sight advantage and have a score board. Look at it. Some talented architects should be able to do something with that and other existing space by being creative. Sure a new stadium will draw for the first few years but, in time, I think the novelty will wear off. Then a dad will say to his son outside the new stadium and say "see that blue SUV parked over there? That's the same spot where Mickey Mantle, Bernie Williams and all those great center fields used to stand". With all the expense for the new project, will there be a museum on the hallowed ground? Most of the ballpark is, so how much could or would be preserved? If our rivals in Boston have kept Fenway Park with 30,000+ seats with ingenuity,surely someone can be creative enough to add more luxury suites and/or a few restaurants to our beloved stadium. Surely someone must have enough business sense in the Yankee organization to make an opportunity where it can earn more revenue without a whole new structure, astronomical construction costs and 7,000+ seats eliminated. Are 10,000 more seats in a single deck and 10,000 less seats in the upper deck really going to do the average Yankee fan a favor? The cost of BOTH would most likely go up. Of course they make it sound like a new stadium is all for the fans. We know better and understand it's all about the money. If this project takes place I'll be ashamed to say that the Red Sox organization thinks more of its fans than the Yankee management does. The Red Sox have managed to accomplish both by keeping their stadium intact and their fans happy. Keep the malls in the suburbs and the new cookie cutter ball parks to the teams without the great history the Yankees and their fans have enjoyed. More dollars and sense (no pun intended) may not win out with a new stadium in the long run. Once the old stadium is gone that's it. A loss of revenue at the new stadium will not bring the old one back. Let's hope and pray that tunnel vision does not prevail and the greatest sports facilities in world remains where it belongs.
Posted by: Tom Kondra at April 25, 2005 05:51 PM

When I go to Yankee Stadium ,I go to pay my respects to the ghosts of the past.IT's a mystical place where past and present mix. The Yankee Legends born there still live in our minds and hearts,triumphant and forever young. Lou Gherig called himself "the luckiest mann on the face of the earth,'because he got to play there.It's where we go to pay homage to those ghosts of the past i family members who brought us to this field of glory and taught us to revere it. A move to a new stadium breaks that link. You cannot discard your link to the past as if it were an old candy wrapper. It's the fabric of New York. It's the fabric of our hopes and dreams.It's our connection to our past.A place to remenmber our youthful heroes and the Dad's and Mom's who brought us there. You cannot cast out your soul for the sake of giving George more luxury suites and more retail space. My Father took me to Yankee Stadium to see Mantle and Maris,Whitey and Yogi,Richardson and Kubek and that's important to me. A new Yankee Stadium breaks with tradition,breaks the link to the past and destroys the heart and soul of the Yankee Mystique. For what? A few more dollars? Shameful. Rebuild Yankee Stadium,don't destroy it !
Posted by: Bob Sadinsky at June 18, 2005 11:32 PM

turn it into a park so kids and adults can play where babe mickey and the greatest players of all time played
Posted by: sasha at November 7, 2005 09:04 PM

turn it into a park so kids and adults can play where babe mickey and the greatest players of all time played
Posted by: sasha at November 7, 2005 09:04 PM

turn it into a park so kids and adults can play where babe mickey and the greatest players of all time played
Posted by: sasha at November 7, 2005 09:05 PM

turn it into a park so kids and adults can play where babe mickey and the greatest players of all time played
Posted by: sasha at November 7, 2005 09:05 PM

turn it into a park so kids and adults can play where babe mickey and the greatest players of all time played
Posted by: sasha at November 7, 2005 09:05 PM

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