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May 21, 2006
Minnesota okays Twins stadium funds
After 11 years of impatiently waiting, Minnesota Twins owner Carl Pohlad got his new stadium not with a bang but with a pre-dawn whimper: The Minnesota state senate voted just before 5 am by 34-32 margin to approve the Hennepin County sales tax it had rejected last month, including the provision exempting the Twins from a voter referendum on the sales tax hike. The state house had previously approved the stadium bill late last night, meaning once it's signed by Gov. Tim Pawlenty, the Twins will have their new stadium, and about $387 million in taxpayer funds to help build it.
"For all of our fans who have stayed with us, through all of the ups and downs of this debate, we are finally going to build a ballpark," Twins Sports president Jerry Bell said in a statement. "We're again
going to have baseball outdoors, on grass, the way the game was meant to be played." Of the 34-vote majority that approved the bill in the senate, he added: "Kirby Puckett's number. How appropriate is that?" (Presumably Bell didn't mean that for Minnesotans, the stadium bill is like being strangled by an electrical cord.)
Citizens for a Stadium Tax Referendum immediately called on Gov. Pawlenty to veto the bill, noting his campaign pledges to "oppose and veto any all efforts to increase taxes" and to specifically oppose public funding for pro sports facilities. Don't everybody hold your breath at once.
Posted by Neil deMause
This morning the local newspaper reported the naming rights for the new Twins stadium will be worth approximately $5 million per year. A thirty year agreement would mean a cool $150 million. Carl "The Crybaby" Pohlad will be making money even before he starts raking in more than $40 million in incremental stadium revenue from his new digs. After all the lobbyists go home and the newspapers actually have to work for stories, Minnesotans will be outraged by this pork-filled deal. Let's hope the truth comes out before the November elections.
You can't actually pay off a $135 million expense (what Pohlad is looking at putting in) with $5 million a year in naming-rights money - you'd need more like $10 million a year to do that. So Pohlad will have to dip slightly into his incremental stadium revenues to pay off stadium debt. Still, $35 million a year isn't bad as windfall profits go.
Any bets when St. Peter, Bell and the Pohlad family come hat in hand begging for a roof?
Sooner than later they will ask for a retractable roof.
No they won't. The stadium as proposed is not "roof ready". A retractable roof cannot be built on it. They wanted a retractable, but that added $150MM+ onto the price tag.
Isn't there some way locals can sue to stop this? I feel for you guys. At least we're required to have votes on these things in California.
What is the public sentiment on this? Overwhelming joy, indifference, or anger?
We Won!! Baseball the way it should be...outdoors. I live in Hennepin county and am more than happy to help pay for it!
Brace yourself for rain outs Twins Fans!
Public sentiment is fairly positive, I think, although it's hard to tell through the major media. Relief might be more appropriate. There really isn't much of an opposition to hype anymore since it's pretty much a done deal.
I *hate* the "baseball the way it should be" and "the way it was meant to be played" crap. I think the beauty of the sport is that it doesn't require a $500 million facility. I played for years on a makeshift field on a farm, listening to Twins games on the radio. That's what got me hooked, not a state-of-the-art facility with seat warmers and wide concourses. I've taken children to new ML ballparks and they couldn't care less. Let's not kid ourselves: I'm glad the Twins' future is secure from threats and blackmail for awhile, but this stadium isn't for the benefit of the fans, it's one billion-dollar entertainment industry trying to get their piece of the pie.
"Isn't there some way locals can sue to stop this? I feel for you guys. At least we're required to have votes on these things in California.
What is the public sentiment on this? Overwhelming joy, indifference, or anger?"
Posted by: MikeM on May 23, 2006 11:59 AM
We are required to have a vote too. It is clear that if you have enough clout and money you get special treatement in our political process.
As far as public sentiment: The word on my street is INCREDIBLE outrage and anger. Out of 100 hundred people that I have talked to only 1 is happy. And he has sports fanatic tunnel vision. I plan to work very hard this year to make sure State Senator Linda Higgins will NOT get re-elected.
You guys are crazy! 3 cents on 20 bucks, or else we lose not only the team, but the business that other teams bring into the area, concession workers who are out of a job for 5 months; hotels, bars, and resturants in the downtown area trying to make up for not team from April through August(ask the business owners in St, Paul what life was like without hockey), and lets not forget about the payroll taxes collected on roughly 60 million dollars (likely to go up now taht the future of the team is secure). So Pohlad got his play pen, and kept the Twins in Minnie. This could have been avoided if Griffith move us into a football stadium in the first place anyway. So lets quit the crying and the whining and accept the fact that maybe let the long term effects of this controversial decision speak for themselves!
Amazingly, when people aren't going to baseball games, they don't go into a state of hibernation. I haven't spoken to business owners in St. Paul about the hockey lockout, but during the 1994 baseball strike, video-store rentals were through the roof.
As for the Twins moving, I would hope that ten years of Pohlad crying wolf - remember the "We will move to North Carolina" promise - would have taught people something. As by far the largest available market, Minneapolis had all the leverage to demand that Pohlad pay a larger share of the cost, or at the very least pay rent, but instead they punted.
I'm glad we got a new stadium! Watching the Twins in a football stadium is not the right venue. We can finally join the major leagues. How many detractors of the .03/$20 tax would even pick up a quarter if it was on the street? A dime? A nickel? Think about that.
Am I The only one who can see how ridicules the
Giants-Jets Stadium situation is ? They are
Spending over $1Billion for a World-Class State
of the Art / Luxery Stadium. The problem is They
have declined the retractable roof. The stadium
will host 16 home games and maybe a couple of
college football games and that's it !!! The
stadium will be used for less than 25 percent of
the year and $1billion is a ridicules price to
pay for a world class stadium that's only going
to be used on such a limited bases. At least if
it had the roof, it will bring in more concerts,
conventions as well as the big events and put
this stadium in a position where it can be used
for a little more than half the year. Is that not
what building a stadium is all about ? - Making
the most out of it ? If The team owners were
smart - They would at least make sure that the
Stadium is built so that the retractable roof
can be added to it at any time. That way - it
will ensure that there won't be any real regrets.
I wouldn't worry about the new stadium in the
Meadowlands if I were you. The Giants & Jets
Owners have agreed that if there is no roof, The
Stadium will still be designed to be roof-ready
so that one can be added later on. They know what
they're doing and they have left nothing to chance.
I believe that the Minnesota Twins deserve a new stadium. they've been in the metrodome for to long. I think the state of Minnesota is gona get more money and more tourim. the fans are gonna love it when the new stadium comes in 2010. I bet you that the Twins games for the first twoweeks of the season will be sold out mabey even a month.
As I am a baseball lover, I try to watch games whenever I have time. But, for me, and without doubt for thousands of other fans all over the world, I love the Minnesota Twins and I do my best to attend their games though we notice that Twins tickets got a little pricy and hard to be found especially when we talk about some hot games. The Minnesota Twins tickets are a little pricy but this should not prevent us from fallowing our favourite team and support it, and this is what means to be a good fan.
NO. WAY In HELL should the VIqueens get a new stadium unless ziggy pays 100%. They were the ones who wanted the dome in the first place