After the new Stadium is built, people come to it in droves and everyone loves it, I wonder what you people are going to have left to write about.

Oh yeah - there will ALWAYS be new stadiums to wring some hands over.

I think the point is that stadiums are great, but publicly funded stadiums are not so great. I'd rather local governments provide my children schools with PE programs than subsidizing businesses (owned by billionaires and staffed by millionaires) where my kids watch sports.

I will wring my hands at every waste of tax dollars that I work to send to government. Stadiums are (generally) a waste of your money, Pete.

I think the point is that stadiums are great, but publicly funded stadiums are not so great. I'd rather local governments provide my children schools with PE programs than subsidizing businesses (owned by billionaires and staffed by millionaires) where my kids watch sports. I will wring my hands at every waste of tax dollars that I work to send to government. Stadiums are (generally) a waste of your money, Pete.

What's to love about a new Stadium that has seats farther away from the action....The middle and upper decks of the new ballparks are farther from the action because the Luxury Boxes are squeezed in at the center pushing the decks farther apart from the field.....The upper decks are so far from the action that foul balls don't even reach the upper stands....Fans acquainted with the existing Yankee Stadium who are looking forward to the opening of the new ballpark will be hit with a harsh dose of reality....More expensive seats....Luxury Boxes....Members of the Mile High Club in the Upper Decks of the Stadium...Seat Licenses.....Do the research on Seat Licenses PETE! The 3 most beloved Stadium in Baseball are still standing today...Yankee Stadium...Fenway Park...Wrigley Field...At least in other GREAT Cities they care about the history and tradition of Landmark Buildings....I once thought NY was a great City....

Enough already just build the new stadium. I cant wait until the groundbreaking on august 17th

Stadium Fatigue does strange things to people.

Its bad enough we didnt get the jets back I dont want to lose another team to new jersey.Im tired of new york losing teams .I know if I took something away from one of you guys you would feel the same way

Its bad enough we didnt get the jets back I dont want to lose another team to new jersey.Im tired of new york losing teams .I know if I took something away from one of you guys you would feel the same way

Does anyone honestly believe the Yankees would leave New York for Jersey? It's a completely ludicrous notion.

The last time the Yankees threatened to go to New Jersey (1998), then-governor Christie Todd Whitman held a press conference to demand that they knock it off, since she had no interest in building a stadium for them. Given that the new governor is even more stadium-averse, and with the state's current fiscal woes, there's no way Steinbrenner would get a stadium built there - and that's even before considering whether he'd really abandon NYC to the Mets.

Steinbrenner has flirted with New Jersey he also has flirted with long island -nassau county.Trust me long island or New Jersey would love to have the yankees.

"Trust me long island or New Jersey would love to have the yankees"....NOT

The Yankees would never sell out 81 games a year in New Jersey.....Just look at the Devils in the Stanley Cup years or the Nets....As for Nassau County Long Island, It would never happen...The Homeowners in Nassau are already burdened with over taxed propeties and School Tax(Some of the highest in the Country)and it would overwhemingly be defeated....Just be happy you get to keep the Islanders.

The fact is Yankee Stadium is a Landmark Building that needs to be preserved...Furthermore, Bronx parks are being stolen for land for a new ballpark and artificial replacement parks are not a fare tradeoff....

Refurbish Yankee Stadium or build on the original site!

The yankees can not build on the original site because they would have to go to shea and the mets dont want the yankees there for 2 years again like they had them back in 74 and 75. So there goes that plan. Its either build at macombs park or move out of the bronx. Then the yankees would have to move out of the city. The yankees wanted to move to nassau county back in the late 80s roosevelt raceway the jets were even looking at the land.

The yankees can not build on the original site because they would have to go to shea and the mets dont want the yankees there for 2 years again like they had them back in 74 and 75. So there goes that plan. Its either build at macombs park or move out of the bronx. Then the yankees would have to move out of the city. The yankees wanted to move to nassau county back in the late 80s roosevelt raceway the jets were even looking at the land.

Everyone will be there?

There are 24 million people in New York State. There are only 60,000 seats. Simple math indicates would take 5 years to rotate everyone through the stadium even once if the tickets were evenly distributed among tax-paying citizens.

But of course the only thing that will be distributed evenly is the cost.

Everyone will be there? I don't think so.

The Mets have never said they "don't want the Yankees there," and in any case Shea is owned by the New York City Parks Department, so it wouldn't be for the Mets to say. In any case, "we can't rebuild on site" is precisely why the old Red Sox management claimed they needed to tear down Fenway Park in 1999 - after new ownership took over, lo and behold, they're rebuilding on site, during the offseasons.

Dan....Why don't you move to a new web site where you know the facts....The proprietor of this site has been following Steinbrenners threats for years...I myself have been following since the late 1980's- early 1990's. Randy Levine was quoted on the steps of City Hall as saying The Yankees can't use Shea as an alternative because the seating scheme is not equivalent to Yankee Stadium and it didn't work in the 1970's except for the fact that the Yankees attendance progressively increased at Shea and into the remodeled Stadium. Furthermore,look at an aerial view of the original footprint today and what's planned for the future. Take away the existing parking garage and fill in a small portion of Macombs Dam Park where the Basketball Courts are located and you have a big enough footprint to rebuild on the existing HISTORIC site. The fact is Steinbrenner does not want to sacrifice 2 years of profits to preserve history. Plain and simple. The Yankees and MLB should have exhausted all possibilities before looking for an alternative site. To date, No reputable Architectural Firm or Engineers have publicly stated that Yankee Stadium cannot be renovated. So much for History! What about Giants Stadium for 2 years? George seems to have a love affair for Jersey...

You want the Jets back? Yikes.

[[The Mets have never said they "don't want the Yankees there," and in any case Shea is owned by the New York City Parks Department, so it wouldn't be for the Mets to say.]]

Yes they can. They have what's called a lease. That lease has allowed them to have a say on what events other than Mets games can be allowed at Shea. Have you wondered why there haven't been big time soccer matches hosted there lately, even though it's right smack in the middle of ethnic neighborhoods (and much to the chagrin of you-know-who ;))? That's because the Mets do not want the grass to be torn up by 22 men wearing cleats, even during the wintertime. Sure, the city could pressure them to let another team move in but why do that when they can use the powers they have to do what they believe is best? Ask Mayor Daley in Chicago how things are actually done in big cities.

I have my facts straight so don't worry. When the jets moved to the meadowlands in 1984 they had to ask the giants if they could play there.As for the yankees playing in shea again the yanks would have to pay the mets rent and just maybe the mets were asking for too much rent money from the yankees. The giants made money from the jets for renting.As for seats shea holds 56,000 yankee stadium holds 57,000.A 1000 seats isnt that big of a difference.

Both the Mets and Yanks have been on year-to-year leases since 2001 - the city could have written anything they want into them, including that the teams have to share digs for a year or two. It hardly seems like an outrageous request, in exchange for $400 million apiece in public money.

Dan...says HE HAS HIS FACTS STRAIGHT...Where did you here that the Mets didn't want the Yankees playing at Shea? I have been following the Stadium debate for close to 20 years and I have never heard of such a thing...Nor has the Field of Schemes and SaveourParks website.....Not to mention I have all the Newspaper articles since 1991 concerning Steinbrenners cry for a new MALLPARK!!!!And if what you say is true(NOT)the City and MLB would pressure the Mets to allow the Yankees to play there in the best interest of the City and the game of Baseball. The Yankees could play in an abandoned Shea Stadium in 2009 when the Mets move into there Ebbets Field replica.

Take a guess at where the Red Sox are playing when Fenway Park is upgraded....Anymore FACTS?

The yankees couldnt play in a abandoned shea stadium because the old shea stadium will be knocked down in 2009.

The Yankees can't pay the Mets rent. The Mets are a tenant, not a landlord. But forget Shea.

Where there's a will, there's a way. The Red Sox are renovating Fenway Park without relocating. Most of the work has been done in the off-seasons. Renovating Fenway saves one of the country's cultural landmarks. The public's will all along was to save Fenway. Refurbishing costs much less money, though the Red Sox (unlike the Yankees) are basically footing the bill for the project. Also, renovating in this way keeps disruptions to a minimum, both for the team and for the neighborhood.

But in the late 1990s, the Red Sox and their friends in public office and in the media were saying all the same things that the Yankees, New York City officials, and the media are saying today: that renovation won't work. The Yankees have never considered renovating Yankee Stadium, and the city has basically let the Yankees' whims dictate this debate. So the Yankees get to remap an entire neighborhood at taxpayer expense. People get what they vote for. This is the biggest battle ever between the Yankees and the Red Sox, and the Yankees are getting embarrassed.

Years from now, when the Yankees are playing in the same antiseptic television studio as every other team, you'll all long for the days when New York and Yankees had something special.

The City would delay the razing of Shea Stadium for a few years to accomodate the Yankees if need be....However, Shea has never been an issue because Steinbrenner Has never had any intention of renovating Yankee Stadium. The controversy surrounding Yankee Stadium was never an issue until the late 1990's. Steinbrenner blamed the lack of attendance on false reports of a crime ridden Bronx neighborhood, a lack of parking, and traffic...but this all changed when the Yankees drew over 3 million and then it was Yankee Stadium is outdated and staying in the Bronx was an option if a new ballpark was built....Randy Levine and City officials manufactured "Shea is not an option" when they realized that the Bronx community was unhappy with the stealing of Bronx parkland for an unfair tradeoff of scattered parks including artificial turf parks on top of parking gargages.
The Red Sox and Cubs are upgrading there landmark ballparks during the offseason....
A harsh dose or reality will be in the air when Yankee fans attend a new yankee stadium...I won't be one of them!

Have you ever beento boston theres no way to builda stadium in boston. Thats why they are fixing fenway park. If they didn't they would have to move out out of boston. Tey would have to move to a suburb outside of boston. They will be lucky to save fenwaypark for another 10 years.

Yes...I have been to Boston often to see the Yankees play at Fenway Park and for other reasons....I can tell you that I don't visit cities to visit the new MALLPARKS!The old Boston ownership tried building a Stadium across the Street on Boylston Street from Fenway Park.....Unfortunately for them, they didn't invest millions in lobbying costs to steamroll there ballpark for approval like the Yankees have done. You know the fancy word for BRIBERY....Lobbying! You just don't get it....The Yankees are stealing Parkland from the Bronx community and other big businesses are having a landgrab of there own in every borough in NYC....
You like to contradict yourself....In earlier statements it was okay for the Yankees to move to the Long Island Suburbs but not okay for the Red Sox to move to a Boston Suburb....

Ithink you have a reading comprehension problem mike .I just said there's no room in boston for the red sox to build a new stadium. I never said it wasn't ok for the red sox to build a stadium outside of boston.As for the yankees stealing parkland they are giving money back to the community so I don't know how that is stealing. I thought when you stole something you don't pay for it.After this yankee stadium thing is finalized what will we talk aboutthen the brooklyn project with the nets.

You can say it all you want, Dan, but Mike is right: The old Boston ownership proposed a new double-decked stadium between Yawkey Way and Boylston Street, across the street from Fenway Park, which they would have torn down. The reason it didn't happen had nothing to do with "room," and everything to do with finances - they were having trouble getting city money to help pay for the project, and their bankers told them that it wasn't a good investment without government subsidies.

I covered this in detail on this website - click on the 1999 and 2000 entries in the column at left if you're interested.

How long you think the red sox can stay in fenway park for maybe another 10 years. In the future if they can't get a stadium in boston then they will have to leave boston then.Then everyone will be crying how the red sox abandoned boston.

Why don't you discuss that new stadium that the giants and jets want to build. Thats disgusting I hope that deal falls through

Thanks Neil....Some people will just never get it...

As for Dan....
"I think you have a reading comprehension problem mike .I just said there's no room in boston for the red sox to build a new stadium"
I believe Neil already refered you to the link regarding FACTS about Fenway Park.

Since when is money for parks a fair tradeoff? How does that help the Bronx community surrounding Yankee Stadium especially when Bronx officials have a say as to where this money is distributed....What if the money is used in other Bronx communities miles away from Yankee Stadium?

What Parks are the Giants and Jets stealing?

The new giants stadium is going to cause big congestion problems and environmental problems.Its the good old boy network it seems on this post. Oh thank you neil your welcome mike. You are so smart neil says to mike. Thank you for the compliment neil. There are bigger problems in this world then if the yankees get a tax break on a new stadium.

Dan says "Its the good old boy network it seems on this post" What are we on an episode of Dukes of Hazard?"

Dan says "The new giants stadium is going to cause big congestion problems and environmental problems." The Yankee Stadium area has a nickname "Asthma Alley" and the Yanks plan for a new Yankee Stadium with added parking garages will increase that status. The Bronx Community doesn't need to hear about the New Jersey Swamplands big congestion problems and Environmental problems. Ive never sat in traffic on the Cross Bronx Exp or the Major Deegan on game or non-games days. No one minds driving the 0.5 miles an hour.

Dan says "There are bigger problems in this world then if the yankees get a tax break on a new stadium". Try having an already limited number of Parkland stolen from your own Community. What does that have to do with tax breaks? Dan there are more important problems in this world then what you think of the Environmental impact the new Jets and Giants Stadium will have in New Jersey.

This site is loaded will all the facts you need concerning the Yankee Stadium controversy and Stadiums around the Country. Why don't you browse the website, get your FACTS straight before you decide to post a comment.

Neil you have a great informative website and I'm sure you work hard maintaining all the FACTS concerning the Stadium Game. Keep up the good work!

I guess this really is the good old boy network!

>>Since when is money for parks a fair tradeoff?

Actually, there is NO money for parks. The Yankees' $30 million slush fund is going to politicos who have supported their new stadium. The $150 million it costs to build new "parks" is coming entirely from taxpayers, not including that this land will be tax-free and rent-free. The public picks up 100 percent of the tab, but a private business reaps 100 percent of the benefit (i.e., profit). Even if the Yankeees were paying for the new "parks" and the land, it still wouldn't be a fair tradeoff. Why should this neighborhood have to tolerate a swap that no other neighborhood is even asked to consider? Oh, right. I forgot. Demographics.

Remember back in the late 1980s, when a long-term lease renewal was drawn up and Steinbrenner had the pen in his hand? Ed Koch backed out of it because he felt the city deserved a slice of the Yankees' MSG contract, and Steinbrenner wouldn't budge. Sounds like a more innocent time, doesn't it?

Ok your right its a shame ok. The giants new stadium will be a shame too.Taxpayers will have to foot for the bill too. Hopefully that project will fall through.

We can argue about whether the Yanks should stay where they are or move across the street until the cows come home. What's more important to me is that they remain in The Bronx and continue to be the Bronx Bombers. Everything else is semantics!

Your the perfect fan for Steinbrenners Palace....

The Yankees sell there storied History and Tradition to it's fans then contradict themselves by paving over history with no consequences.....They get to keep Mad Bomber as a fan.

Load up your wallet at the ATM and enjoy the new ballpark and have a shrimp cocktail and Lobster Dinner on me!

As far as I'm concerned the Yankees don't exist without there storied ballpark!

One big irony in all of this debate is that the Yankees' storied history has helped to attract the bandwagoners and daytrippers to the Stadium, making up a huge chunk of the 4 million who came out last year that opponents cite as a reason to stay put.

Maybe Stein has data that says that people who will stop showing up once they move across the street will be made up for by those "newer" fans and then some, even without factoring the revenues from the additional skyboxes.

And let's not forget that they won a couple of championships while they were still at the Polo Grounds, right after Ruth was bought. Even though the Stadium's called the House that Ruth Built, Jacob Ruppert and his partner still had to pay to build it and they may not have done so if the Giants still wanted to keep them on as tenants. Of course, we have no idea what would have happened if the Yankees had remained at the Polo Grounds at that time. Could they have become the Manhattan Bombers?

Interesting question for baseball history buffs.

The Yankees never won a World Series at the Polo Grounds. The Yankees won there first World Series at Yankee Stadium in 1923....The year Yankee Stadium opened. However, the Yankees did start outdrawing the Giants at the Polo Grounds and was asked to leave by the Giants and they chose the land in the Bronx for a new Stadium to house the thrones of crowds coming to see Babe Ruth.

By the way, the Yankees did play in Manhattan originally at HillTop Park when they were called the Highlanders.

My apologies. I meant American League pennants, which probably were a bigger deal back then.

Thanks anyway.

>>What's more important to me is that they remain in The Bronx.

But in what Bronx? There will be a huge shopping mall with big-box retailers just south of 157th Street, a Yankee mall on 164th Street, and miles of parking spaces--all to help make suburban folks feel like they haven't left home. The Bronx where working stiffs live, work, and play will be out of sight. If this follows the path of similar "development" projects in the city, many of the area's residents may be gone--by force, not choice. Ah, but that's the whole point. A generation from now, rich folks will marvel at how "nice" the Bronx is. And Bobby Bonilla will offer Bronx reality tours, with Kramer as his driver.

Being in the Bronx is really just a matter of circumstance. Where else would the public be forced to accede 22 acres of parkland, free of charge, to a private corporation? Yeah, like New Jersey's going to take parkland away from rich folks.

Long story short: The Yankees are NOT staying in the Bronx. They are relocating to a sanitized, theme-park version of it--and relocating the Bronx in the process. Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, and Fred Stanley didn't play on 164th Street. You can't build a brand-new structure and call it "history." Unless you're a Rockefeller.

Watch the new giants stadium deal fall through. Then the jets will make to queens .

Move to queens