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December 07, 2006

NFL approves Jets, Giants funds

NFL owners have approved $300 million in funding for a new stadium for the New York Giants and Jets in New Jersey, ending speculation about whether the league would limit its stadium financing to $150 million per facility, or allow two teams to pool their funding for a single stadium. The NFL calls it a loan, but the teams can effectively pay it back out of revenues that would otherwise have to be shared with the league, so it's really a grant. (Or maybe a groan.)

Now all the two teams have to do is come up with another $900 million, and placate the local officials who are griping about the project's property-tax breaks, and probably a couple of other things I'm forgetting. Then they can get that shiny new toy they've been bugging Santa about.

Speaking of Santa, the Giants/Jets cash, plus $42.5 million for the Kansas City Chiefs, represents the last of the funds allocated to the G-3 loan program launched at the behest of New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft (who also became the first owner to tap it) back in 1999. The NFL says it will come up with a new stadium-funding program, but first they need to come up with a new name. Here's a crazy idea...

COMMENTS

With the extra $300 million funding, The Jets & Giants will have some options to work with. Word has it they would like to have revolutionary lighted walls to reflect home field advantage - lighting it up green with jet logos for jet games and lighting it up blue with giant logos for giant games. They also have the option of reconsidering the retractable roof. I like the roof option, But I'm betting on the revolutionary lights.

Posted by Alyssa on December 8, 2006 03:16 PM

The revolutionary light idea sounds good, but the smart move is to go with the retractable roof to bring in the big events. With a $2oo Million retractable roof investment - A SUPERBOWL alone will bring in a $3-$400 Million profit revenue, And with other big events that are sure to follow - The entire stadium will end up paying for itself, Thefore it makes better business sense.

Posted by Ben on December 8, 2006 03:49 PM

Um, no:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/020506/met_21009626.shtml

But thanks for playing.

Posted by Neil on December 8, 2006 04:01 PM

The jets could have had a stadium in queens. Give mea break two ny teams playing in jersey . That makes alot of sense. Woody johnson is one of the dumbest owners. Its really time to get a nfl franchise in the big city. I wouldn't mind seeing like a san diego come to ny. I hope the lights go out for good in that new crappy stinky stadium in jersey in the craplands

Posted by dan on December 8, 2006 04:09 PM

There willbe no roof they already said no roof so much for that idea.

Posted by dan on December 8, 2006 04:11 PM

Don't bet on it. The teams have already made it clear that even if there is no roof - The stadium will still be designed roof ready so that
one can be added on a later date. They may not want the roof for now - But time has a way of changing alot of things.

Posted by Ben on December 8, 2006 05:35 PM

Well until then - Bring on the Revolutionary lights. It should make the the stadium unique along with everything else.

Posted by Alyssa on December 8, 2006 05:41 PM

I'll tell you something Dan - In a perfect world every team in all sports would be in a solid position to build a stadium right in the heart of the city they represent - But the truth is we're not living ina perfect world, So we take what we can get. The teams may be in New Jersey, But it's one part of New Jersey with a Solid New York atmosphere, Besides New York can't afford another stadium anyway with 2 new baseball stadiums being built for the Yankees & Mets.

Posted by Lena on December 8, 2006 05:52 PM

Lena's Right - Besides I like the New Jersey Area. It's a growing economy with alot going for them. New Jersey has The best educational system in the country, millions of people go to Atlantic City & The Meadowlands Racretrack every year, The Xanadu Project should upgrade sports complex a great deal. The Newark Arena will be a big success, and The Jets world class training facility in Florahm Park should be successful as well. With traffic in Jersey being so managable and Long Island Traffic being so horrible, It can make a big difference in how The Jets do in future.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 8, 2006 06:20 PM

Good Point Lena & Emmanuel - And don't knock Woody Johnson - Dan. He made a monumental effort to bring The Jets to New York, But when it came down to it - New Jersey gave them a Better Deal.

Posted by Garth on December 8, 2006 07:17 PM

Ben makes a good point too about the retractable roof issue. If the teams are going to invest over $1 billion for a world class state of the art luxery stadium you'll have to design it in ways there won't be any regrets & building it roof ready guarantees just that. No need to put in the roof right away - Maybe in 10 years or less, Besides the teams promised it would be a world class stadium - But how world class can a stadium really be without any kind of roof structure settings ???
The closest one to it is Gillete Stadium in New England. A luxery type stadium but nobody can really call it World Class.

Posted by Carlito on December 8, 2006 09:06 PM

Why, exactly, should the Jets and Giants care about having a roof? You'll recall that when the Jets were trying to get their Manhattan stadium built, they expected the city and state to pay for the roof, since they said they didn't need one.

I can't think of a single U.S. stadium, "world-class" or otherwise, that had a retractable roof paid for by the private teams. It's the sort of thing you only ask for when you're sure someone else is going to get stuck with the bill.

Posted by Neil on December 8, 2006 09:11 PM

Woody did not try hard enough to get a stadium innew york.The atmosphere in new jersey is dead.Are you kidding me that ny cant have a football stadium. Yeah secacus is horrible its a dump. You people must live in the swamp or just clueless. Queens was going to give them a sweetheart deal like the mets got.So get your facts straight.The xanadu project is just going to create more problems and traffic will be worse. The jets are a ny team not new jersey so they should play in ny or rename them.How will the newark arena be a success when no one goes to devils game already.Anymore questions need to be answered Iam willing to answer while i make a fool out of you.Have a nice day

Posted by dan on December 8, 2006 10:38 PM

How many times have we seen in the newspapers articles that writes things like JETS WANT DOME HOME - JETS WANT ROOF STADIUM etc ??? A year ago when the teams decided on a stadium partnership The Jets very much favored a retractable roof & The Giants were considering it, But they soon realized it would be more expensive than they anticipated so in this case they said NO to the roof idea for now. According to reliable sources The new Stadium is expected to generate over $600 Million in revenue through Advertising, Naming rights to stadium & sports complex, ticket sales, and other ementities as well. That's over 3 times the price of a retractable roof every year - which means it will be more than affordable to the teams in the long run. Eventually they may consider it and then Profit even Higher revenue with the Superbowl & other big events, That's reason enough to have the stadium roof ready just in case.

Posted by Ben on December 8, 2006 10:39 PM

New jersey traffic is just as bad as long island. At least on long island you can make a left turn instead of going around in a circle like in new jersey.People like patrick curry and sean deegan of jets insider.com are true jet fans.You guys believe anything woody johnson says to you. If woody wanted a stadium in ny he could have had it.Hopefully in the near future ny-long island will have a pro football team.Ihave been to plenty of jet games and it is a big pain in the butt to get out of there. It is not a place to have a stadium. As for florham park they are basically the same distance from the meadowlands as hempstead is to the meadowlands. Its a very baddeal for the jets. Woody got pressured into this deal therefore Icall him woody the wimp or woody the weasel or woody the snake .I really have so much fun on this site.

Posted by dan on December 8, 2006 10:51 PM

The jets could have had a retractable roof in queens and not have had to share a stadium with there rivals. It is a bit retarded. Woody would have had more sponsors in ny than in nj. New york is more attractive . If you were a owner of a pro team where would u rather have a team in ny or nj. If you say nj you have been drinking the swamp water.

Posted by dan on December 8, 2006 10:57 PM

Dan You're The one who's COMPLETLY CLUELESS. If you've ever been to the Long Island traffic roads - You would know it's a hell hole in comparison to the New Jersey Roads. As far as The Xanadu messing up traffic is conerned - That proves how clueless you REALLY are. The state will be using tax payers money not only to improve & widen the roads, but to have a board walk built from The stadium site over the roadlines and straight to the Xanadu Project. All parking will be on the stadium site. Not to mention the fact that there will be a Subway to ensure there won't be too many cars on the road. This ensures that New Jersey Traffic will only get better. No Football stadium is gonna be built in New York especially with 2 baseball stadiums in the works Because the reality is - It's time to face facts: NO CITY CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR 3 STADIUMS AT THE SAME TIME - ESPECIALLY NOT NEW YORK!!!!! Until you face that reality - You've got alot of growing up to do.

Posted by Lena on December 8, 2006 11:11 PM

New york is getting two baseball stadiums 1 basketball arena why can't we get a football stadium. Give me a break. You can widen the roads all you want its still going to be heavy traffic there. As for the railroad system how many people is really going to use it. Alot of people like to tailgate. Idont need any growing up to do and by the way where you from . Iam guessing new jersey whats the answer to that.Iam from long island traffic is a pain but not nj traffic isnt no great shakes either.Lena you are wrong Queens wanted to build a stadium for the jets .What is the big deal if the jets are in ny you already have the giants.

Posted by dan on December 8, 2006 11:21 PM

Believe it or not I'm living in Queens NY. Consider this: Tax payers are paying for 2 baseball stadiums a basketball arena and an Olympic Village in Hunters Point for which we don't even need in the first place. The Nets have expanded their contract in Jersey so there's no guarantee that the arena in brooklyn will even be built anyway. Maybe if New York would stop throwing around taxpayers money on things they don't really need they can afford to bring the Jets home. The Meadowlands is Open Field Territory. To bring the Jets to Queens And build a parking facility along side it means sacrifising a big chunk of Carona Park. These Parks are the only things that parents & teachers can really count on that will keep the children off the wrong parts of the streets. What happens to the children happens to our future. Do you really think a Jets Stadium is worth it ?

Posted by Lena on December 9, 2006 12:02 AM

This guy dan is just continue to seethe, seethe, and seethe about the teams that play in New Jersey. Dan. Here a thought. Since you want a team close to you, why won't you move to New Jersey?

Posted by Steve on December 9, 2006 12:14 AM

Steve what are the jets called the new york jets so they should play in ny so thats simple.Lena the nets are getting the arena in brooklyn. As for flushing meadow park the place is a dump building a state of the art stadium would be nice and fixing up the soccer fields for the kids would be a nice ideas. .They donthave to build a parking facility you ever hear the word walking plus there mass transit in queens already. Its just you guys complain about everything .You complained about the new yankee stadium , the new mets stadium and thenets arena.You rather see business go across the river some new yorker you are.

Posted by dan on December 9, 2006 12:37 AM

Dan. I have a question for you. If New Jersey have horrible fans, how come one, that the islanders have fewer fans than the Devils and two, why is it important to have two basketball arenas in NYC? I know that the Knicks suck but if the NYC fans are rallying to move the Nets to Brooklyn, does that make NYC fans bad fans?

Posted by jermaine on December 9, 2006 01:14 AM

Look Dan - Even if The Jets did get the west side stadium that would mean 20,000 people would go to the games by subway & 50,000 people would go to the games by car. Where would they find a place to park 50,000 cars in Manhattan ??? Without the parking facility to a potential stadium in Queens it would be no different. In either case not much room for tailgating since The Jets would've wanted to build a training camp on stadium site anyway while in the Meadowlands there will be 4 big areas to tailgate in 2010. So much for your argument.

Posted by Lena on December 9, 2006 11:34 AM

If you want an NFL team in New York Dan - The Buffalo Bills represents New York State. Go with that. Maybe someday they'll consider calling them "The New York State Bills" Plus the fact that they have the best open air NFL stadium ever built.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 9, 2006 12:21 PM

Lena your really clueless if the jets would have had a manhattan stadium they would have had there practice facility in queens or the bronx most likely not on the manhattan site. As for you guys comparing the west side stadium to the meadowlands its a totally different animal. More fans would have to use the train because of bad congestion. As for the devils outdrawing the islanders as I remember last year the islanders had more sellouts than the devs did last year. In the near future ny will get a pro football team .Because my opinion is different then yours you cant handle it too bad.

Posted by dan on December 9, 2006 05:14 PM

"New york is getting two baseball stadiums 1 basketball arena"

Which is a herculean achievement considering the traditional resistence of this town to allowing this type of activity. (Actually, I'm not 100% on the Brooklyn arena. We'll have to see how the lawsuits shake out) Heck, I count my lucky stars that I am getting THOSE in my lifetime. Don't need to be greedy and ask for a football stadium in addition.

Second, the way that gridiron culture has evolved in this country a city stadium may not be the best thing. Face it. People love to have their open barbecues, rock music blasting loudly from the parking spaces, open-can beer-swilling and drive in big cars to and from. We are not Europe, where people can walk up to a pub and then to a stadium before a match. I don't see how NYC can allow all of that. Frankly, the Meadowlands is made for this type of activity. They only have to withstand 16 games (Giants and Jets combined) a season plus any playoff games (no more than 4 theoretically), whereas the Nets and Devils play 82 home games between them in an area with no viable public transportation until after 2010. Better to take that activity and relocate them to urban areas, where there are more choices for people to come to the games.

Of course, one could argue that both teams should be in the Newark arena as the Nets started off as a New Jersey team but that's more or less an academic arguement.

Finally, if New Jersey wants a Super Bowl so badly, they should pay for that roof. Otherwise, they should be content counting the money the Giants and Jets send to them via taxes.

Posted by mad bomber on December 9, 2006 05:51 PM

First of all we do not go by opinions we're going by cold hard facts. No matter how you look at it, The Meadowlands is the only real open field sports territory there is between The New York - New Jersey Metropolitan Area. New Jersey must be doing something right because Every team playing in New Jersey these days is doing well including The Jets, While The Islanders & Knicks have been a laughing stock for some time. The Mets rarely get into the playoff scenes while The Yankees & Rangers are the only real steady playoff qualifying teams in New York. When is the last time the New Jersey teams matched so well against The New York Teams ???

Posted by Emmanuel on December 9, 2006 06:18 PM

Well if you are going by stone cold facts emmanuel lewis great show that was webster was. But back on the subject the nets and devs have poor crowds at the meadowlands. If the knicks and the islanders are winning they sell out. When the nets and devs are winning they don't even sell out. So back to the drawing board but good try.

Posted by dan on December 9, 2006 11:20 PM

Mad bomber Iam not being greedy ny is the number 1 market in the united states. Why not have a football team in nyc. As for these tailgate parties enough with them. They are getting annoying.Thats what is so bad about going to a football game the drunks come in the end of the 1st quarter and dissrupt everything. I am there to watch a football gamenot to be dissrupted every 2 seconds for them to go to the bathroom. I feel bad for that little girl in nj who went pumpkin picking and then got paralyzed from a jerk who was at a football game who had 10 drinks in him. As herman edwards might say you are there to watch the game. Alot of these fans that go to the games aren't true fans. Iam diehard fan jersey can have the giants but nyc does need a football team. Hopefully in the future they will get one. Alot of fans feel the same way as i do thats the diehards not the casual fan who makes it a social event.

Posted by dan on December 10, 2006 12:33 AM

I've said before I'll say it again. If You want an NFL team in New York - The Buffalo Bills represent New York State. Go with that. Maybe someday they'll be named "The New York State Bills" Plus the fact that they do have the best open air stadium in the NFL.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 10, 2006 05:17 PM

Someday my wish will come true New york will have a team in nyc. Iam not worried. Things happen for a reason. I am going to stay upbeat and just laugh at what you say.

Posted by dan on December 10, 2006 05:33 PM

Oh Danny boy !!! Get with the Program. Don't you realize ? - These days you just can't build a football stadium in any part of the Tri-State area without it hurting the economy one way or another. Get over it. no matter what you say & think The Meadowlands is the best place for any stadium for New York or New Jersey Teams. As a Die Hard Jets fan, I strongly approve of it 1000% !!! Good Job Woody Johnson. If it hadn't been for the existing Hudson River - The Meadowlands would very much be a part of the Manhattan Borough.

Posted by Carlito on December 10, 2006 06:05 PM

Carlito woody jonson did a bad job with this stadium deal. You never share a stadium with your competition. The meadowlands sucks if you ask most jets fans they would say the same thing. Your wrong carlito but nice try whose next im ready for you. You guys are easy competition.

Posted by dan on December 10, 2006 11:11 PM

You really think you're right & everyone else is wrong ? Trust me - You're the laughing stock, But you don't have to take my word for it. Let the facts speak for itself. How many sports complex do you know in any part of the New York Tri-State Area that is bigger, better, & more wide open than The New Jersey Meadowlands ???

Posted by Lena on December 10, 2006 11:24 PM

Carlito where you from.

Posted by dan on December 10, 2006 11:25 PM

Good Question !!! Have you got a good answer Dan ????

Posted by Carlito on December 10, 2006 11:26 PM

I'm From the Bronx

Posted by Carlito on December 10, 2006 11:28 PM

Lena I think you've hit it right on the head. That's what it really comes down to. There is not a bigger better more wide open sports complex between New York & New Jersey than The Meadowlands. The closest would be Yonkers, but there's nothing out there aside from the horse races, Plus the fact that it's less than half the size of the Meadowlands.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 10, 2006 11:50 PM

Well if the jets would have builta stadium in queens it would have been better. Giants stadium is a dump it has no atmosphere there. . If you ever went to the eagles stadium in philly it would put giants stadium to shame.
You guys make out ny like its friggin idaho. If woody wanted a stadium in ny he could have had one. He is richer than the maras are. Iam not the laughing stock you guys are alot of jets fans look at this site are saying you guys don't know what you are talking about. Keep up the good work you guys the true new yorkers.If it was up to you guys there would be no pro sports teams in ny.

Posted by dan on December 10, 2006 11:54 PM

Let's face it Dan - New York has had the best of everything for years. We already have our share of sports teams right in the heart of the city between The Knicks, The Rangers & even The NY Liberty. In fairness New Jersey has made many sacrifices building their economy for many years & got little or nothing in return. Their time has come & it's long overdue. A World Class - State of The Art Stadium would be a great first step to fueling the economy. Only a real educated person would understand this. Why can't you ?

Posted by Ben on December 11, 2006 12:24 AM

Listen like I said I don't mind that the giants are in jersey ok. Isaid why can't new york city have one pro football team . Iam educated ok what is the big deal that we can't have a football team.You are making it out that i want both which Idon't. If the jets didn't sign with the giants with this stadium deal the giants would have gotten the new stadium anyway.

Posted by dan on December 11, 2006 12:37 AM

New York has had over 20 Years to build a Jets Stadium & never did. They never came close to making The Giants any offers. Don't Blame Woody Johnson for taking the New Jersey deal. You can Blame Mayor Bloomberg. He had the deciding vote & said no to the west side stadium. He did nothing to help bring them to Queens. All he wanted was The Olympic Events in New York. So what does he do? He wastes The tax Payers money on an Olympic Village to be built on Hunters Point rather than a football stadium. A good Mayor would have known better. When you really look at it realisticly- New Jersey was always in a position to do more for the teams than New York was ever willing to.

Posted by Lena on December 11, 2006 01:41 AM

Lena you are wrong mayor bloomberg asked the jets 6 times if the jets wanted a stadium in queens. Ieven remember because he offered them land before he struck a deal with the mets about them getting a stadium.So woody is at fault .

Posted by dan on December 11, 2006 05:32 PM

Wether or not Bloomberg made any offers doesn't matter. Lena's right about one thing. New York had over 20 years & they blew it. The city has no one to blame but themselves - Not Woody Johnson. All he did was take the best offer.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 11, 2006 05:58 PM

Hold on he did make offers to woody johnson ok and it does matter ok. If woody said no its woodys fault ok.Stop defending woody.

Posted by dan on December 11, 2006 06:07 PM

I'm not defending Woody Johnson, I'm Just stating the facts. If Woody did take the Queens offer, The Stadium would have costed nearly $2-Billion for a total of 8-10 home games (pending play-off games) and maybe 1 or 2 college football games. NY Tax Payers would have had to pay half the investment. That's way too much money to spend on a stadium that's going to be used on such a limited bases year after year. At least in New Jersey - The Stadium costs would be $1.2 Billion. NJ Tax Payers pay for nothing more than road improvements while the teams pay for the stadium itself. New Jersey pays for new subway lines with private funds - A better business deal for The Jets, The Giants, & Tax Payers in both States. In a Deal like this - There are no losers.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 11, 2006 06:35 PM

It would have cost 1.3 million in queens. Iam really tired of this . The taxpayers are getting screwed in nj with this deal. Just like there getting screwed with the devils deal. Trust me in a few years the jets will want to get out of the deal. It isn't a hard 99 year lease anyway. There is ways to get out of the lease if they like.

Posted by dan on December 11, 2006 08:42 PM

Who do you think you're kidding Dan ? Aside from becoming co-owners of a World Class / State of the Art stadium - The Jets will have a World Class training facility less than 6 miles away from the Stadium site. It will be alot more comfortable for them. The way it is right now - The Jets have to go through hell just to get out of the Long Island Training camp to the Meadowlands. Do You have any idea how hard it is to drive from Long Island to the Jersey Meadowlands ??? Even if New York does give The Jets any future offers in 30 years or so - The price of stadiums will be so sky high & The Jets will be so much more comfortable with their re-adjustment in New Jersey there's no way they'll except it. We have to face facts. The Jets & Giants are in The Meadowlands to stay. New York may have blown their last chance to get either one of these teams to the big apple. The garden state wins and it may only be a matter of time before they're both named after New Jersey.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 11, 2006 11:41 PM

Yea, like the taxpayer in New York isn't getting over the Atlantic Yards deal. Get your facts straight about what goes on in New Jersey.

Posted by Steve on December 12, 2006 09:53 AM

No matter how you look at it - NJ Tax Payers were in a position to get a better deal for the teams than NY Tax Payers right from the start - Therefore The Jets signing with New Jersey proved to be the right move.

Posted by Ben on December 12, 2006 10:33 AM

Talk about much ado about nothing. Keep your friggin stadium. Who needs it, anyway? Even if taxpayers are responsible for only $200 million to $300 million (a conservative estimate), that's money that New Jersey loses and never sees back. Ever. By my calculation, the Giants and Jets are already turning a profit on their new stadium before a shovel has hit the ground. New York is already on the hook for $1.5 billion (again, conservatively) for three stadiums.

New Jersey can have their stinking football--literally, when you consider the stadium is in a swamp. But New York should charge them both rent for using the name of the city. The Giants and Jets reap far more in marketing dollars playing in "New York" than if they played in "New Jersey."

Being the "owner" of a stadium doesn't matter. New York City will "own" the Yankees' and Mets' new stadiums only in a technical sense. In a practical sense, when your tenants pay no taxes and no rent but reap 100 percent of the stadiums' financial benefits, ownership doesn't have any privileges. But at least all of these stadiums will be "state of the art." Whew, that's a relief. ("State of the art" means the teams will charge you twice as much to watch football from your cheap seats, which will be located somewhere in Princeton.) Go, team!

Posted by MIB on December 12, 2006 01:21 PM

You people who are knocking New Jersey are all Jealous sapps. With the New Stadium & Xanadu Project coming, It's going to upgrade the sports complex considerably. Rumor has it that even the race tracks will be upgraded with expanded luxery seats & other things. The Giants will have a luxery training facility at the stadium site. More Jobs will be developing between the stadium team stores, The Xanadu & Near by Hotels. By 2010 The Jersey Meadowlands will no longer be a swamp land. It will be a luxery sports complex.

Posted by Kenny on December 12, 2006 03:50 PM

The jets traing facily will be 20 miles away from the meadowlands not 6. If the jets and giants are equal partners then why is the giants training facility right near the stadium and the jets is not.The average fan won't be able to afford to go toa game anymore. The jets were better off in queens period. Its never a good idea to share with your competition. The meadowlands will be a swamp you can put disneyworld there and it would still be crappy. In time ny will have a pro football team it's just a matter of time.

Posted by dan on December 12, 2006 08:02 PM

Emmanuel Lewis from webster Iam from long island. Iknow the trip to the meadowlands is a horror show. Let the jets and giant change there names to new jersey you will see how interested people will be going to games.It would hurt both franchises . If they do ny will definetely get a franchise then. You have to be creative to get a stadium in ny which woody woodpecker isn't. Ratner and steinbrenner are the two best owners in the ny area .

Posted by dan on December 12, 2006 08:09 PM

Okay, guys, this has gone on long enough - I don't generally care what anyone posts in comments, but this is getting us nowhere except eating up my disk space. If no one has anything new to say except name-calling, shut it down, or I'll do it for you.

love,

management

Posted by Neil on December 12, 2006 08:28 PM

Well as far as the $300 Million Funding is concerned - Wether they spend it on The Revolutionary Lights or Retractable Roof or anything else that would be great for the stadium - One thing is for sure. Both teams have made their choice & no argument can change that. Besides - Considering That this is going to be the most expensive stadium ever built - Odds are it's going to be the Best stadium ever.

Posted by Ben on December 13, 2006 12:42 AM

OOPS!! I think I made a typing error. When I said The New Training camp of The Jets was less than 6 miles away I really meant 16. They wanted to be within 20 miles away from the stadium range - It turns out Florham Park is just under 16 not 6 - sorry.

Posted by Emmanuel on December 13, 2006 01:15 AM

Iam not saying anything anymore you are wasting neil's disk space. You have to respect a person's disk space.

Posted by dan on December 13, 2006 04:31 PM

Look who's talking. You're the one who started the name calling Dan. Besides - I don't see what the big deal is anyway about where The Giants or Jets play. The Dallas Cowboys are building a new stadium in Arlington rather than in Dallas. Nobody complains about that. If George Steinbrenner had his way The Yankees would be playing in the heart of NYC rather than the Bronx, but he did not want to be responsible for upgrading New Yorks traffic problems. The Arizona Cardinals have built a stadium all their own in Arizona, But does that guarantee they're going to become a Superbowl contender anytime soon ? The Jets could not have picked a better place at a better deal than The Jersey Meadowlands. I'm sorry you feel this way Dan, but sooner or later you're gonna have to except it. Besides - There's
no way New York could ever get an expansion team.
If the city can no longer afford afford The Jets -There's no way they can afford a whole new team, expansion or otherwise.

Posted by Garth on December 13, 2006 07:27 PM

Do the dallas cowboys play in texas yes they do. The jets and giants don't play in the state they are suppose to represent.It is better to have your own stadium . Like I said you have to be creative which woody johnson is not. We go over the same things over and over.
In the near future I can see a team in nyc . There has been talk of the jets and giants changing there names to new jersey jets and new jersey giants.

Posted by dan on December 14, 2006 12:11 AM

Let's be realistic Dan. These days you just can't build a good football stadium without open field territory. When it comes down to it, New Jersey has the open field, New York doesn't. Why should New York waste Tax Payers money on a stadium that's bound to give them more traffic problems all year round than it does The NFL ? At least in New Jersey it will be more than worth it since it's being built in a place where the roads are gonna be expanded by 2010, plus the new subway line will be a factor as well.

Posted by Garth on December 14, 2006 05:39 PM

There are places you can build in new york that are open field areas. Enough with this already.It was manhattan or bust for woody johnson.

Posted by dan on December 14, 2006 10:39 PM

Enough.

Posted by Neil on December 14, 2006 10:44 PM

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