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November 11, 2007

Rays float land-rights-for-stadium deal

The Tampa Bay Rays - who got the Devil out of them earlier in the week - revealed Friday that they're actively looking to get a new stadium built in downtown St. Petersburg. The new stadium would be built on the site of the city-owned spring training facility Al Lang Field, would hold 35,000 fans, would cost $450 million, and would be paid for ... well, that's the hazy part:

The Rays will front $150 million, about a third of the cost. They also plan to seek state sales-tax rebates that would amount to $60 million. That measure would require approval from the Legislature. As the plan currently stands, the team doesn't anticipate asking the city to levy any new taxes or divert money from existing funds to the new project.
They hope to draw the biggest share of the necessary revenue from the sale and redevelopment of the current Tropicana Field site, but are unsure what the value of that land might be. Early talks have centered on luring retail outlets that would have a regional appeal compelling enough to draw visitors from surrounding counties.

Let's break this down. The state sales-tax rebate that has been handed out to other Florida sports teams is actually $2 million a year for 30 years, which would only pay off about $30 million in present-day stadium construction expenses, not $60 million. So that would leave about $280 million unaccounted for, much of it apparently to come from development on the Tropicana Field site.

Tropicana Field, though, is owned by Pinellas County (and leased back to the city in a complicated tax dodge), so normally any money from developing that site would go to the county, not the Rays. Add in that Al Lang Field is owned by the city of St. Petersburg, and the Rays are effectively asking to develop two publicly owned parcels and keep the proceeds for themselves - and that's before knowing whether the team would even agree to pay rent to the city on the new park. It's yet another sign that, as I wrote last year, teams are increasingly asking for development rights in lieu of cash, since while they're just as valuable, they don't make for as many nasty headlines.

It's also worth noting that the Al Lang site, as pictured in the St. Pete Times, is way too small to fit a modern major-league baseball facility, even one with only 35,000 seats. Add in that the Rays say they'd realign the field so that home runs to right field would end up in the bay, like at the San Francisco Giants' park (this would also put home plate in the traditional southwest corner, to keep the sun out of batters' eyes), and it's almost inconceivable a stadium could fit on the current site without either taking some adjacent property or building out into the water.

The Rays' leverage to make any demands on taxpayers is limited, given that they have an iron-clad lease holding them to Tropicana Field through 2027 - so if the city says no, it's not like the team can up and threaten to move to Orlando. Certainly no one's a fan of the Trop, which was designed at the height of '80s fixed-dome ugliness - but with the city still $100 million in debt on the place, one would hope that local officials would at least ask the Rays to pay their own way before letting them out of their lease two decades early.


This is almost as crazy as the idea to mak a sunburst their logo. Everyone knows the obvious location for the team is the intersection of I-4 and I-75.

Or they could combine the Marlins and Rays. Make they play games in Miami, Tampa, and Orlando and call the team the Florida Walking Catfish.

Posted by Chuck Welch on November 12, 2007 02:10 AM

It would be better if a new ballpark be built across the street from Raymond James Stadium in Tampa.

Posted by Daniel Francis on November 12, 2007 06:37 PM

Seems to me you could put a stadium roughly the size of Pac Bell/AT&T's footprint on the Al Lang site with home plate in the southwest corner, provided that you eliminated Bayshore Drive and brought the right-center corner in from AT&T's 421 feet. By my unscientific (using the Google maps satellite photo and a ruler) method, the distance between King St and the water in SF as you cross home plate is 550 feet, and the distance between 1st St and the water in St. Pete ranges from 533 to 667 feet. It would be a tight squeeze, but doable (although it obviously wouldn't solve the parking, traffic, or financing problems).

Posted by Brian S on November 14, 2007 02:32 AM

Manager Maddon was the first in MLB to ask for a replay of ump call and won. However since then there has been approx a dozen bad calls against the Rays that he had cold feet with. The last game they played against the Blue Jays the call at second base was clearly bad where Zobrist tagged Millar out. the cameras did a great job proving the out. The ump called safe and Maddon sat on his hands. Later Millar scored. The Rays lost by "a run". When Wells came up the cameras proved again an obvious strike across the plate. Ump called a ball that hurt the Rays and again nothing from Maddon. Someone needs to get some zip fire enthusiasm in Maddon's shorts...
.. TODD? Isn't it a known fact that in the Business World the subordinates imulate the boss's persona?

Posted by Warren Ashton on August 28, 2009 03:51 PM

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