Friday roundup: Big-league owners seek big-money land deals, while in the minors they’ll just take a check, thanks

Holy moley, all the news this week! No time for clever repartee, let’s dive right in:

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25 comments on “Friday roundup: Big-league owners seek big-money land deals, while in the minors they’ll just take a check, thanks

  1. It’s a pathetic life a dedicated reader lives, when waking up at 5:00 AM PST and waiting in a front porch chair in Robert Klein jeans and OP (Ocean Pacific) T-shirt for the FoS Friday Edition to be delivered.

    #GreensboroBills (this is called a “hash-tag.” My grandson uses these when he twitters and tweets).

  2. NdM,
    I’m surprised you haven’t covered/mentioned the City of Oakland asking Alameda County to help out (so to speak) with infrastructure costs at Howard Terminal. LOL! If I’m Alameda Co. i’m telling Oakland officials to kiss my civic @-$!!!

    Regarding Vegas, I truly believe if that’s the route the A’s take it would definitely include a nice land donation, with enough space for ballpark and ancillary development; not necessarily public financing in the traditional sense. Heck, they could even join the Raiders/Clark County in their newly proposed 1.25 square mile Stadium District (shops, restaurants, hotels, residential).

    And just for the record, if the A’s were to relocate to Vegas, they would immediately get back on MLB’s annual revenue sharing program for “small market” teams; an extra $70 million per year (per newballpark.org website). Something to think about going forward.

    1. The Oakland letter to Alameda County was last week, but sure, since you asked:

      https://www.oaklandca.gov/news/2021/city-of-oakland-urges-alameda-county-to-join-regional-collaboration-on-the-waterfront-ballpark-district-at-howard-terminal

      It’s really just a restatement of the original Howard Terminal plan — “the city would be kicking back taxes, and oh yeah we’ll want to county to too” — but I guess they did make it official.

  3. On the all-star game, you undoubtedly saw that several local businessmen are suing for ridiculous sums (1 billion! Now that’s a lot of pennies!) because of the aforementioned lost revenue.

    So I guess it’s up to the courts to decide if lost revenue is laughable or not? Assuming the case doesn’t get dismissed before getting started.

    On the USFL, I wonder if the trump will manage to kill this version too?

    [I highly recommend “who killed the usfl” a 30 for 30 production from espn]

    1. The thing with President Trump and the USFL is highly amusing to me. Those of us who lived through it know that the USFL had to move to the fall. It was only after President Trump started criticizing President Obama that the media started to conjure this delusion than the USFL was a successful spring league.

      1. Actually those of us who “lived through it” remember only too well what happened… and the USFL absolutely did not have to move to the fall.

        Trump was, then as now, just an idiot. He thought he could force his way into the NFL and didn’t care how many people he hurt in trying (and failing).

        The USFL was not commercially successful overall and had badly overexpanded. However, several of the markets were sustainable and the league was still building it’s spring fan base. Until Dipshit Don decided this was his big chance to get into the league that didn’t want any part of him. Had the owners resisted that incompetent clown’s efforts to use them as leverage to get into the NFL (at which he failed, like most of his other businesses), they could easily have continued as a spring league.

        As the former league commissioner clearly stated, they could have built a working business model. ABC was still on board. Many believed they were no more than 2-3 years away from a sustainable model. MLS took two decades to become anything other than a financial sinkhole. It takes time to build new leagues into profitable entities.

        Several of the franchises would have had to go (and some did before the league folded, of course), but if properly managed spring football (and the USFL specifically) could still be playing.

        The problem is that people with no real money keep starting leagues and expecting them to be profitable right away. Lamar Hunt demonstrated the only possible way to build a new league in a crowded sporting marketplace (and he did it twice, of course).

        You need owners willing and able to lose money for 5-10 years to build a following. You can’t do it with grifters and conmen like Trump looking for a quick score.

        1. And there’s the problem; you need people with lots of money willing to invest in the long term.

          Most rich rubes panic the instant losses happen cause they expect immediate & exponential profit, not understanding that if you want something to work, risk management is a factor (ironically, some people do spend tons of money on failed ideas cause of the sunk cost fallacy, but in general, backers pull funding the second their margins are threatened).

          I do believe spring football can work. It has to be understood where you can put the teams (despite the media need, NY & LA are bad ideas, while St. Louis, Orlando, San Antonio, and Seattle loved their AAF and XFL teams), plus accepting ratings do go down due to the novelty factor wearing off, but if you are willing to stick at it, people will treat it seriously and start coming back.

          Oh, and avoid the Donald Trumps and Reggie Fowlers of the world if possible.

        2. This Village Voice article about the underhanded ways Trump used people to try & get a free NYC stadium- aka Trumpdome- built for his NJ Generals is incredibly well written & entertaining. Anti-Trumpian journalist Wayne Barrett pulled no punches here. As usual.
          https://bit.ly/3uVGeIv

          1. Donald Trump’s Political Football | The Village Voice
            www.villagevoice.com › 2019/03/04 › d…

      2. “Those of us who lived through it.” Interesting word choices.

        I can barely begin to fathom how deeply and emotionally scaring spring football must have been. I must commend you for your strength of character to live through and survive that troubling period in our nation’s history.

        Thankfully (and fortunately) Donald Trump, being a man of great character, wisdom and insight, tried to right a wrong by putting football back where it belongs. In the fall. Where it may flourish and succeed as every other professional league, not the NFL, has done.

        ACFL 1962-1973
        SFL 1971-1974
        WFL 1974–1975
        USFL 1983-1985 (saved by the Donald)
        WLAF 1991-1992
        CFL (US franchises) 1993-1995
        WLAF 1995-1997
        NFL Europe 1998-2006
        NFL Europa 2007
        XFL I 2001
        UFL 2009-2012
        AAF 2019 (another spring league)
        XFL II 2020

        Phffft. What’s next? Football is an arena in the spring! Am I right?

        1. “Who lived through it” obviously meaning those of us alive at the time. The internet contains a massive surplus of commentary from people without direct experience of the thing they are discussing. John’s correct, as – again- those of us alive at the time can verify, and writing in such books as Jeff Pearlman’s excellent account will underline: the USFL was losing money, and its marquee franchises had wildly overspent on big-name players, but it was doing very well in several cities and ratings were reasonable, and without the intervention of Donald Trump and others, could have cut spending and several teams and continued to play in the spring.

          Your list of leagues helps underline the point. Without financial backing willing to lose money for 6-8+ years, these startups aren’t going to make it. I understand why they all take the chance, but had the backers of the AAF, new XFL, and this USFL all gotten together, their potential payoff would be smaller but the likelihood of seeing any return down the line seems like it would be that much larger. Dwayne Johnson, I’m not your finance adviser, but I hope you’re doing this.

          The Denver Gold was the most successful of the USFL franchises (Pearlman’s book notes that the strong gate receipts had helped it turn a small profit in its second season). Early spring football here is chancy because we can get snow in April-May, but if this USFL puts a team here, the city’s football-mad enough that I think people will check it out.

        2. “The internet contains a massive surplus of commentary from people without direct experience of the thing they are discussing.”

          In this instance, that wouldn’t be applicable in my case.

          My point. I consider a life event (birth of a child, death of an immediate family member, divorce, job loss, etc.) to be something you live through.

          The USFL. Unless you were directly involved, you didn’t live through it. It was simply an event or an occurrence that happens during one’s lifetime.

          I didn’t live through the RFK assignation. It was an event during my lifetime.

  4. That ‘Firefly’ reference is the first positive comment I have read about the canceled Joss Whedon in quite some time.

  5. Ben is largely right, though I don’t believe the USFL HAD to move to the fall. (They were not successful in the spring, though I don’t know how they were going to be successful in the fall with no TV deal and basically they had pinned all their hopes on the lawsuit.)

    Those of us who did live through it know that the culpability flow chart of the demise of the USFL is complicated. Trump’s bombast and disregard for the ethos of the collective did not help and he strongarmed things that ended up contributing to the cause of death.

    But he had lots of help in that regard. Tollin’s documentary is interesting but far too simplified.

    Also, now USL is a Ponzi scheme, too, Neil? You have been riding this horse for a while without the pigeons coming home to roost, to mix metaphors.

    1. Neither is a Ponzi scheme, per se. But they are both trying to thrive on the “keep expanding so fast no one can tell if you’re making or losing money” model, which … I guess is working for Uber? Sorta maybe?

      1. There has been a lot of failed franchises, abandoned expansion teams, and teams demoting themselves to lower levels in the past decade on the USL level. I’m an Indy Eleven fan, and while I got my own complaints like the mythical Eleven Park project that they refuse to talk about, calling it a Ponzi scheme is a bit much. I look at it more as a generic “get rich quick” scheme where people are convinced there’s profit everywhere and fans will magically show up with fistfuls of money if you plop down a team.

    2. Moving to the fall was the single biggest contributor to the league’s failure. They were not financially successful in the spring and many markets (of the “peak 18”) were not salvageable. However, they were building a fan base in several markets… so the solution is to move into direct competition with the behemoth competitor while simultaneously launching an antitrust lawsuit that essentially admits you know you can’t compete against that competitor?

      To take Trump himself out of the equation, lets assume I own a poorly supported hamburger restaurant. I’m building a customer base slowly but I’m losing money at a rate that isn’t sustainable for me. Is it logical for me to try to fix this by moving into a vacant commercial space located right between a McDonalds and a Wendy’s while simultaneously suing both chains for antitrust?

      There were many business failings within the USFL ownership group, no question. But the decision that absolutely killed the league was pushed by Trump. Tollin got that part correct.

    3. Ponzi scheme.

      https://mlsmultiplex.com/2020/06/02/mls-looming-2023-tv-deal-vital-league-survival/

      https://fortune.com/2020/02/17/mls-profits-american-soccer-revenue/ (behind paywall. Bring up, read article on Internet search)

  6. Shouldn’t the Reading Fightin Phils actually be called the Reading Fightin Reads?

    Asking for a friend…

  7. That Gateway Board Chairman is certainly a silly man. (Sorry, couldn’t resist)

    1. Don’t. Since FoS skimped on the normal “clever repartee” and we’ll need something to get us through this weekend.

      And there were so many possibilities for FoS to fulfill its journalistic duties with a degree of levity. I know I myself had to bite my fingers from keying at least 4!

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