Rays-to-Montréal rumors heat up after some guy says Sternberg said something about it once

Here we go again: After longtime Tampa Bay Rays manager Joe Maddon abruptly quit on Friday, New York Daily News columnist Bill Madden dropped this into the tail end of an item about Maddon’s future and his former team’s:

After last year’s disappointing 77-85 fourth-place finish, they both realized they’d done all they could do in Tampa, and despite consistent 90-win seasons with one of the lowest payrolls in baseball, the Rays played to a half-empty (or worse) stadium night after night. That, more than anything, wore on Maddon and his players, the manager told confidants. Rays owner Stuart Sternberg has been frustrated in his efforts to get out of Tropicana Field in St. Pete and move to a new stadium in Tampa, but there is growing belief that the economically depressed Tampa Bay area won’t support the Rays no matter where they play. And according to sources, Sternberg has had discussions with wealthy Wall Street associates about moving the Rays to Montreal, which has been without a major-league franchise since the Expos were transferred to Washington in 2005. As one major-league official put it to me Friday: “Say what you will about Montreal, but the Expos drew well over two million fans four times there in their heyday, while the Rays did that only once, their first year.

We’ve heard this rumor before, though this is the first time I’ve seen claims that Sternberg has actually had discussions about Montréal as an option. And Montréal is by far the biggest North American market without a team, ever since the Expos left in 2005. Still, it has a big problem in that its only major-league-ready stadium is even less loved than the Rays’ Tropicana Field, and there are no immediate plans for a new one. And you have to consider the source — Bill Madden loves to predict things, many of which turn out not to be true — and that the phrasing could mean just about anything: “discussions with wealthy Wall Street associates” could just mean that while shooting pheasants over sherry at the club, Sternberg sighed forlornly, “Some days I think I’d be better off in Montréal. I hear they have really good bagels there.”

Anyway, everybody and their sister has now been reporting on this unsourced rumor, and Sternberg is sure to try to use it as leverage for a new stadium in the Tampa Bay area, even though it’s pretty weak leverage when your lease says you can’t move for another 13 years. And Bud Selig, in his final week as MLB commissioner, is eager to help, saying he’s never heard from Sternberg about a Montréal move threat, but adding:

“The team has to have a ballpark that makes them competitive,” Selig said before Game 4 of the World Series. “It doesn’t produce the kind of revenue they need.”

Does Selig consider Tampa Bay a viable major league market?

He paused — a long pause — then declined to answer. He said he prefers to leave that judgment to the owner in each market.

We’re going to miss you, Bud. Nobody does passive-aggressive threatmongering like you.

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Selig doesn’t say anything about Rays stadium situation, but newspapers gotta newspaper

It’s pretty common for newspapers to run non-stories about progress in stadium campaigns, just because somebody in a position of power said, “We’re working on it,” or something equally scintillating. But this piece from the Tampa Bay Times, headlined “Selig, Sternberg to discuss stalled Rays stadium talks,” deserves some kind of award for saying absolutely nothing in the most paragraphs. Check this out:

Commissioner Bud Selig said there have been no breakthroughs in the stalled talks on the Rays stadium situation, and he plans to talk soon with principal owner Stuart Sternberg to determine the next step.

“It’s a situation that needs correction; there’s no other way to put it,” Selig said Saturday before Game 3 of the World Series. “It’s a marvelous organization, competitive every year, and to be last in attendance, you have to be concerned.

“There’s nothing startlingly new about that. It’s a problem, and we need to solve that problem.”

So… Sternberg wants a new stadium for the Tampa Bay Rays, and he isn’t any closer to getting one, and he and Selig are going to talk about it. What does Selig plan to do, exactly?

“I don’t know — Stu and I are going to talk some more,” he said. “Let me get through the World Series.”

Does he at least have a timetable for action, like his sort-of promise to resolve the Oakland A’s stadium situation by the end of next year?

Selig announced plans to leave office in January 2015. Asked Saturday if he expected the Rays situation to be resolved by then, he replied: “I don’t know. I don’t. If I did, I wouldn’t say tonight anyway. But I don’t know.”

So basically the Tampa Bay Times’ Marc Topkin cornered Selig, and asked him some questions about a Rays stadium, and Selig shrugged a lot and looked for the exit door, and how do you make a headline out of that? “Selig, Sternberg to discuss stalled Rays stadium talks,” that’s how. Nice work if you can get it.

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St. Pete council says Selig has ordered Rays not to pay to break stadium lease

Talks between the city of St. Petersburg and Tampa Bay Rays owner Stuart Sternberg over allowing the Rays to break their Tropicana Field lease and look elsewhere for a stadium are not going well, according to St. Petersburg officials, and Mayor Bill Foster, and it’s all MLB commissioner Bud Selig’s fault:

“It has become apparent to me that Major League Baseball has no intention of assisting the city and Rays in reaching a mutually beneficial solution,” Foster wrote in a memo to the council. “Nor does Major League Baseball seem interested in a cooperative effort to keep the Rays in the Tampa Bay Region for the long term.”

Foster going after MLB (complete memo here) is a bit unexpected, though he clearly couldn’t have been happy that Selig for threatening to “assign someone to get involved with the process” if things didn’t move along more quickly. And according to St. Pete councilmembers, Selig has been even more active than that, ordering Sternberg to refuse to pay the city any compensation at all to the city for breaking their lease, which otherwise binds them to the Trop through 2027:

That hardline stance was the Rays’ response to a city offer allowing the team to move to a new stadium if it agrees to pay an undisclosed amount for every year remaining on its lease and to pay for demolition costs of the Trop and any outstanding debt on the stadium, said City Council Member Bill Dudley.

City Council members on Thursday blamed Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig for the impasse, saying he is behind the Rays’ negotiating position.

“We offered them a price,” Dudley said. “Selig has told them don’t give us anything.”

Is it really true that Sternberg has been ordered by MLB not to make any offers to buy his way out of the lease? Is this just posturing by St. Pete to pin the blame on Selig so that they can leave room for Sternberg to up his ante? By Sternberg to make Selig into the bad cop so he can try to get away without paying to break the lease? By Foster, who’s running for re-election, to provide himself with a much-hated straw man who he can publicly stand up to?

Probably “yes” to most if not all of the above, though really, who the hell knows? At least Foster didn’t note that Selig could pay off the Rays stadium funding gap with his own personal salary — we had Shadow of the Stadium’s Noah Pransky to point that one out.

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Selig threatens to send muscle to sit in on Rays lease talks

Crazy busy day for me today, so let’s get right to it: Bud Selig yesterday threw the entire weight of his ominous presence behind the Tampa Bay Rays stadium push, telling reporters that Rays owner Stuart Sternberg had given him a “very discouraging” update on talks with St. Petersburg Mayor Bill Foster on getting out of his Tropicana Field lease, and that he was considering sending someone from his office in to intervene:

“We were optimistic that this was moving in a very positive direction,” Selig said. “Unfortunately, we are stalled. It’s serious enough that in the last 48 hours I’ve given very strong consideration to assigning someone from MLB to get involved in the process and find out what is going on.”

Oooh, scary! Shadow of the Stadium has a good rundown of all the times Selig has expressed “concern” about the Rays before, and one Oakland A’s fan notes that Selig’s intervention hasn’t really moved things along for her team’s stadium issues. And it’s hard to see how an MLB representative is going to significantly affect talks between Sternberg and St. Pete Mayor Bill Foster, who 1) said yesterday that talks are proceeding and “this is not news,” and 2) has 14 more years of lease in his pocket and knows damn well that he doesn’t have to give that up unless he’s happy with what he’s being offered.

What Selig’s statement does do is what league commissioners always hope they’ll do: spark panic among the sports media and local elected officials. Already, Hillsborough County Commission chair Ken Hagan, who’s been leading the drive to build the team a new stadium in Tampa, yesterday declared the “sense of urgency” to be “borderline dire.” To which Shadow of the Stadium replies:

Things can’t be too dire: the Rays have a secure home for 14 more years if nothing else happens.  The team consistantly pulls in some of the top profits in baseball, the franchise’s value has more than tripled under Sternberg, and MLB’s national television revenue is explodingRelocation is not possible anytime soon, and contraction will never be an option.

Details, details. Hey, everybody, let’s write an editorial talking about the threat of the Rays being moved or contracted out of existence, even though Selig didn’t threaten either of those things!

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