Swing vote on Rams stadium says he wants “a good deal,” doesn’t specify what that is

The St. Louis board of aldermen’s ways and means committee heard public testimony last night on the Rams stadium plan, and construction unions opposed the plan, while other members of the public argued that they shouldn’t be allowed to vote on it — ha ha ha, of course that’s not what happened:

“I am for the stadium being built,” said Darryl Hunter, who is in the pipefitters union. “It will also serve as an anchor for future projects.”…

Still, those who spoke out against the project routinely referenced the lack of a public vote. … “This was supposed to be put up to a vote of the people St. Louis,” said James Anderson, of St. Louis. “That vote has been taken away. We should do something that benefits all of the city.”

While alderperson Megan Green has introduced a bill for a public vote, it would need to be approved by the same elected officials who will be voting on the stadium plan itself. So all eyes are increasingly turning to board president and swing vote Lewis Reed, who dropped a few hints on Monday on where he stands on the issue:

  • He wants a stronger minority participation clause than the one that would spend about $1.3 million on pre-apprenticeship programs for women and people of color, saying that “falls way short of what we would need.”
  • He indicated there may not be time for a public vote, but said that the best way to protect taxpayers would be “by making sure we have a good deal in place.”

Okay, so those aren’t exactly big hints, but it does look like he’s angling for some kind of compromise where he can say he got something for the public, though we don’t know what “something” he’ll settle for. With $243 million in city money currently on the line, there’s lots of room for a better deal, though given how these things usually go, I’d predict it’ll end up being something like “everyone in the city gets $1 off coupons for Rams merchandise.”

Detroit council approves plan to replace Tiger Stadium field with fake turf

As expected, last night the Detroit city council approved the redevelopment of the old Tiger Stadium site by the Detroit Police Athletic League, clearing the way for building housing, retail, and a new PAL headquarters on the old stadium site. The ballfield itself, which in recent years has been maintained by volunteers from the Navin Field Grounds Crew, will be retained, but redone in artificial turf, over the opposition of the Grounds Crew and others.

There’s still a chance that the PAL will change its mind and preserve the old field, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. So it looks like the last surviving piece of one of baseball’s most historic stadiums will soon vanish (except for the flagpole, maybe?). If you never visited the stadium when it was still there, you can get a taste by checking out David Gratt’s requiem for the ballpark from 2003, which might help give some sense why anyone cares about saving a bunch of grass.


Bucks arena district plan moves ahead, despite lots of unanswered questions

The Milwaukee Plan Commission has given its unanimous approval to the Bucks‘ arena district plan, which will now move ahead to the Milwaukee Common Council for a vote there. While the $450 million in subsidies for the $500 million arena have already been approved, elected officials still need to approve a bunch of zoning changes for the arena and surrounding “entertainment district” that the Bucks owners are promising to build, which will be easily distinguished from surrounding buildings by not being shapeless gray blobs.

The controversial bits of the redevelopment plan include tearing down an existing parking garage before building a new one (Bucks execs say they’ll provide shuttle buses for fans in the meantime) and closing a block of N. 4th Street to provide the Bucks with a public plaza. Both of those elements have raised the hackles of alderperson Bob Bauman, so expect more debate on them once the plan hits the council next month.

Meanwhile, there’s still no sign of a lease agreement on the arena, which needs to address such humongous issues as how to pay maintenance costs and whether the Bucks can break their lease before the term is up. The Bucks owners still say they hope to break ground in April, but hey, they can always leave some details to be figured out later — because that’s worked out so well in the past.

Detroit council to vote tonight on ripping up Tiger Stadium field, replacing it with easier-to-maintain fake turf

The Detroit city council is set to decide tonight on whether to approve the city Police Athletic League’s plan to turn the old Tiger Stadium site into a youth sports facility — something that would likely be heralded by all sides as a great solution (previous plans would have had buildings on top of the old ballfield) if not for the fact that it would require ripping up the grass field meticulously maintained by the volunteer Navin Field Grounds Crew and replacing it with artificial turf. The PAL is proposing this because it’s a more modern, better surface for — aw, hell, it’s just because it’s cheaper, okay?

Prof. John N. “Trey” Rogers of Michigan State University’s School of Turf Management says he advised PAL to use synthetic turf only because PAL had an insufficient budget and a lack of the expertise needed to maintain a natural grass field.

PAL wanted to use the field six to ten hours daily, Rogers says, but presented a maintenance budget of “less than six figures” annually—which indicated they wouldn’t be able to hire anyone with the expertise needed to maintain a grass field at that level of usage.

Asked whether if PAL had a sufficient budget they could maintain real grass, Rogers says definitely yes—“it just takes a lot of care and know-how to do it.”

There’s actually a good case to be made that turf is more expensive than grass over the long term, because you have to replace it every few years, whereas grass just has to be maintained. I’m personally hoping that the Grounds Crew’s petition succeeds in getting the city to direct the PAL to come up with a plan to preserve the grass, if only because I haven’t made it out to play a pickup game on the old field yet; we’ll find out tonight whether I, and any other interested baseball fans, will get the chance.


St. Louis voters want to vote on Rams stadium subsidies, because you know how voters are

“A few residents” spoke out at St. Louis City Hall yesterday morning about the Rams stadium plan — currently sitting somewhere north of $500 million in public subsidies — according to KSDK TV, which further reported that “some even argued to the Convention and Tourism Committee that they should be able to vote on whether public money is used on a stadium.”

The occasion was a committee hearing on … actually, it was on alderwoman Megan Green’s bill to hold a citywide vote in March on whether public money is used on a stadium. And some people even argued for it! Those wacky voters, with their desire to vote!

The board of aldermen’s ways and means committee, meanwhile, is set to meet tonight at 6 pm to discuss the overall Rams stadium bill. I don’t think there’s likely to be a vote, but there’s a chance we might get more of a sense of where the members of the board stand on the bill, particularly board president Lewis Reed, who at this point is set to be the deciding vote on the proposal. I bet a few residents may show up there as well to have their say.

NFL considering half-billion-dollar L.A. relocation fee, could put off decision until 2017

Of course, whether or not St. Louis and Missouri approve $500 million or so in subsidies for a new Rams stadium, there’s still the little matter of the NFL approving which team or teams it will allow to move to Los Angeles. And despite rumors that the league was getting close to a decision, Ian Rapoport of the league-owned NFL.com now reports that the L.A. situation is in “gridlock,” and while the “hope” is that a league vote could come by May, it might not take place until 2017.

What’s the holdup? It’s always possible that this is just a matter of the owners’ cabal not being able to decide which of their brethren’s move plans they want to approve, or that they’re waiting to see what city officials in St. Louis, San Diego, and Oakland ultimately approve. (Though if so, why leak it to the media when a looming deadline is more likely to create a sense of urgency for those voting on stadium plans?)

There’s one other wild card, though, which is that, according to a report last week in Sports Business Journal, NFL owners are looking to get $500-600 million in relocation fees from any team moving to L.A. Given that the best guess is that a relocated L.A. team would see its revenues rise by a present value of maybe $500 million or so, taking on well over a billion dollars in stadium debt plus another half a billion in relocation fees seems like financial suicide.

So to the existing game of chicken between the owners of Rams, Chargers, and Raiders and the three cities that want to keep them, add in an overlay of an additional game of chicken between the L.A.-seeking owners and the NFL over how much cash they’ll have to cough up to the league to be allowed to move. I can see where this might result in gridlock, yes.

St. Louis on hook for $243m in Rams stadium costs, comptroller calls bill “fiscally irresponsible”

St. Louis comptroller Darlene Green, who’d previously expressed her opposition to the proposed Rams stadium plan as too expensive for city taxpayers, expressed her opposition more officially on Friday, saying she’ll vote against the current bill as “fiscally irreponsible”:

“If the bill is passed in its current state and presented to the Board of Estimate and Apportionment, my vote will be ‘no,’” Green said in a news release issued late Friday afternoon.

I’ve gotten a look at the city’s financial projections for the stadium, and they’re super-convoluted — not only is stadium sales tax revenue kicked back to the team to compensate for using naming-rights money to pay off city stadium bonds, which is Goldbergian enough, but the amount of tax revenue kickback bounces around between 25% and 100% over the next 40 years. From the looks of things, though, the city of St. Louis would be looking at (all numbers in present value, at a 5% discount rate) $66 million worth of sales-tax kickbacks, plus $77 million in future maintenance and operation costs, on top of the $100 million in hotel taxes that would be extended and used for the new stadium after they’re done paying off the old one. That’s $243 million from the city alone, and given that even the city’s best-case scenario (assuming all Rams sales taxes are new revenue, and they grow at 5% a year, well above the national average) is that city sales tax revenues will amount to $150 million present value, yeah, that does seem pretty fiscally irresponsible.

Green’s proposed solution is for the state — which is already set to be on the hook for about $200 million in hotel tax money, plus at least $50 million in tax credits, plus probably some maintenance costs as well, though I don’t have a spreadsheet spelling out those — to pick up more of the costs. Whether she’ll get her way will depend on the other two members of the three-person board of estimate, St. Louis mayor Francis Slay and board of aldermen president Lewis Reed — which, given that Slay is the one who negotiated this plan, probably means this is going to come down to how Reed votes. Reed has been relatively quiet recently on the stadium plan, but back in the spring he said St. Louis should do everything it takes to keep the Rams, so there’s that.

Of course, the Rams bill won’t even get to the board of estimate unless it first gets through the board of aldermen, which has been busily holding hearings but isn’t ready for a vote yet. The likely scenario on the ways and means committee, which must approve the bill to send it to the full board, is a 4-4 tie — alderman Stephen Conway recently griped, in CBS Sports Radio 920’s copy-editor-free transcription, that “there are people against it because it’s sheik to be against it and the wealthy NFL owners” — for which the tiebreaking vote would be cast by … oh, look, it’s Reed again! I think we can guess who the governor and the mayor and the Rams are likely wining and dining about now, huh?

Get your Field of Schemes stadium cards and zine reprints, hot off the presses!

I am very pleased to report that the Field of Schemes stadium cards first series and Brooklyn Metro Times original stadium issue reprints are now in the mail, and on their way to readers who’ve kindly donated to this site. Thank you all for your patience, and if you’re expecting tchotchkes and haven’t received them by next week, drop me a line and I’ll look into it.

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Public’s Braves stadium tab nears $350m on road and transit costs

The invaluable Dan Klepal of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has done a new tally of all the additional infrastructure costs for the new Atlanta Braves stadium, and it includes:

  • $41 million in road projects, to be paid off using a combination of local, state and federal money
  • $3.4 million for new buses, plus $1.2 million a year (figure $15 million in present value) for a new tram running around the stadium area
  • At least $9 million for a new pedestrian bridge over I-285 to get people from the parking lot to the stadium, assuming it doesn’t cost much more than that, and also assuming it doesn’t get scrapped entirely.
  • A bunch of other projects that were already on the drawing board but may now get funded because of the stadium, including a $4.3 million firehouse in Cumberland and a possible $500 million bus rapid transit project.

Not all of that would be solely to benefit the Braves, of course, but we’re certainly looking at an additional $60-70 million in public costs just for stadium-related improvements, on top of $276 million in direct subsidies. (Klepal has the direct subsidy cost at closer to $400 million, but he then subtracts out the rent the Braves will be paying to Cobb County, whereas I’ve deducted it from the initial figure — same math, different way of writing the equation.) I know everyone likes to have one solid cost figure to throw out there, so let’s go with “almost $350 million” — but if you want to count everything that the county will be spending money on at least in part because of the Braves, the figure could end up way higher. Sure hope they’ll at least get to watch Freddie Freeman for that price.